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Edmonton Oilers Rumors: Philly Looking at Oilers Defenseman, Oilers Looking at Philly Coach?

I do not like bye weeks and I’m happy the one for the Oilers this season is coming to a close. That said, the rumors haven’t slowed down any. We’re a shade over three weeks from this year’s and the Oilers have some work to do if they’re to put meaning to Bob Nicholson’s and Connor McDavid’s words.

Today’s post is going to have a Philadelphia theme to it.

PHILLY LOOKING AT OILERS DEFENSEMAN

I know there was a Cam Talbot to Philly for Robert Hagg plus draft pick rumor going around recently and I had asked my source of there was any truth to that. I was told no but the Flyers were looking at Alex Petrovic.

Not surprising. Petrovic has been Adam Pardy 2.0 this year. If the Oilers could rid themselves of that albatross of a contract in return for a draft pick, that would be glorious.

I had a strong feeling that Brandon Manning would outplay Petrovic and he has.

Before the end of the NHL’s trade deadline this season, I really feel like the Flyers and Oilers are going to make a deal here. Too much talk surrounding both teams.

Konecny’s name has come up from time to time and he’d be the perfect winger for the Oilers. He goes to the dirty areas, he shoots like there’s no tomorrow, and he’s got speed to burn. He’d cost though and I have no idea why the Flyers would bother giving up on a young player like him.

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OILERS LOOKING AT PHILLY ASSISTANT COACH

Bob Stauffer put out one of his famous foreshadowing tweets yesterday regarding Philadelphia’s assistant coach Kris Knoblauch and I wanted to see if there were any legs behind it. Indeed there are. I’m going to show you Reid Wilkins’ quote-tweet though because I think there’s a valid question to be asked.

Knoblauch has had success where ever he’s gone for the most part. The WHL, the OHL, and the CIAU (as a player with the Univ. of Alberta). He’s young, he knows how to get a message across to young players, and I think there’s a bright future ahead for him but I have to ask you a couple of questions about him,

  • He’s got a pretty close relationship with Edmonton being as he played quite a bit of hockey there. Would there be any risk in that?
  • Edmonton went the bright young coaching candidate before and it ended in massive failure… THE SWARM!
  • He coached Connor McDavid in junior but failed to win the OHL championship with him. The championship part isn’t as important here but how would McDavid’s teammates feel about him getting LeBron-like powers within the club?

I’m torn on the idea of bringing in a rookie head coach but that could be offset by having outstanding veteran assistant coaches alongside him. I think the difference between him and Eakins is pretty stark too. Knoblauch looks to be a bit better at handling young minds. That said, Philly hasn’t exactly hit it out of the park since he joined them. What are your thoughts?

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THE RANT 2018-19 VERSION

If you listened to Lowetide’s show recently, he has a roundtable that included, himself, Young Yaremchuk, Bruce McCurdy the Wise, T-Hup (Tyler Hupka), and Mr. Wonderful, Woodguy.

I thought the idea was good but it was not a lot of original ideas being passed around and a lot of echoing of each participant’s opinions. I would’ve enjoyed hearing some more contrarian point-of-views on the show like that of Sean Patrick Ryan’s (@theoilknight) or Heather Marginet’s. I think Hupka tried his best mind you.

But as much as Darcy McLeod (aka Woodguy) can be a massive blowhard on Twitter or in Lowetide’s forums, he went on a glorious rant that I’d like to reproduce for you. I found it here.

“Three things concern me…

1 – People who sell t-shirts online.
2 – People who work hard to sell said t-shirts online and lack credibility.
3 – Emojis… Very concerning. 

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I’m just kidding (kind of). Here’s the actual rant:

“Two things concerned me…

First off, he was talking about character and leadership to help Connor. This organization has been trying to import character and leadership since Tambellini was GM and it never ends well. Y’know, the current V.P. of Hockey Operations brought in Ference for leadership. The current V.P. of Hockey Operations offered David Clarkson $37 million dollars over seven years to bring in character and leadership. The worst boat anchor contract on the Oilers was brought in for character and leadership. The Oilers spent far too much time, far too much cap chasing character and leadership and next to none of it chasing talent. They need to stop that.

Second thing that concerned about the Nicholson presser is that Nicholson mentioned the new GM has to fit into the Oilers culture.

To me, it’s the Oilers culture that’s the problem…it’s the Oilers culture to push players to return too early from injury; it’s Oilers culture to fast track prospects and put them in the NHL too soon; it’s Oilers culture to give away actual NHL players to make room for their shiny new players which results in half the team playing above their established NHL ability; it’s Oilers culture to blame the best players for the failure of management, to scapegoat anyone but themselves; it’s Oilers culture that lead to the conclusion that they have to add below-average NHL players with long-term NHL contracts to this organization; it’s Oilers culture for 13 years that when their best player leaves the ice they don’t even get 45 percent of the goals; it’s Oilers culture that has lead to them missing the playoffs 12 of the last 13 years.

They don’t need a GM to fit into Oilers culture. They need a GM and a Hockey President–and I think they should go with two different people–to turn the Oilers into a professional hockey organization dedicated to drafting and developing quality hockey players and making all decisions about players based on how they can help the team on the ice and flush their notions of character and leadership and their own culture down the toilet, because it’s that focus that has lead them to the 23rd place team in the NHL in the fourth year of Connor McDavids contract”

Just as a joke, every time WG says “Oilers Culture” in that rant, replace it with “analytics”…

As I’ve said in previous blogs, I think Katz might clean house this summer because if he doesn’t, nothing will change. The fanbase will still cling on to the OBC conspiracy and there will always be some scapegoat. Which is good for the players, mind you. They’ll get let off the hook as another coach is hired and fired or another GM is hired and fired…

It might be time to say goodbye to the Old Boys Club once and for all here. Just in time to hire Bill Guerin as GM and Doug Weight as head coach!!!

I’ll say this though, you won’t find me criticizing Darryl Katz. He’s the guy that came in a rescued this team. Had he not stumped up to buy them, Oilers fans might be heading down the QE2 to cheer for Calgary in their new arena. He’s not made the most of his time as owner of the team but I’d rather have the team we have today than no team at all.

Enjoy the game! GO OILERS GO! Hope the boys can be streak-busters this afternoon!

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Oilers Trade Landscape to Change with Injury to Nugent-Hopkins?

Poor Nugey, out with a fractured sternum, which is ridiculous by the way. The Oilers, and more importantly Todd McLellan, are now forced to go with McDavid and Draisaitl down the middle. Iiro Pakarinen is back up from his destruction of the AHL to hopefully help on the PK (at home).

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I just want to answer the question presented in the title quickly and if you’d like to read on to get a more detailed answer (albeit a bit unorganized), you can continue. It’s game day and I’d rather not waste TOO much of your time, that’s what we have Oilers Twitter for 🙂

Answer: RNH’s injury will not change the Oilers trade landscape. If there’s a team that wants him and is willing to pay, he’ll be traded. IF not, he’ll be an Oiler after the deadline and most likely into next season. This isn’t a playoff team today but ask me in a month and we might have a different answer because if there’s any team in the NHL that is capable of winning 85% of their remaining games, it’s this Oilers squad.


So, we’re about to see what the team might look like sans RNH but with Leon and Connor running their own shows. If I’m not mistaken I believe the latest line combos have Strome as the 3rd line pivot and Letestu as the 4C. I would prefer Khaira to be the 3C myself but I believe it was Woodguy who said that Strome should actually move up with Caggiula to play with McDavid on Lowetide’s show this week thus moving Puljujarvi and Lucic to Draisaitl’s line and Maroon down to RNH’s. That way the unicorns are still present but of course, that was before the extent of the RNH injury was known.

Speaking of Woodguy, I guess he’s not a fan of developing players…

Isn’t that a line of bullshit if you’d ever read one.

I’ve got time for McLeod but this is where the analytics community loses its traction with folks who are on the fence. Could you imagine if there was no Twitter to be a dick on?

Listen, if Nurse is already leading the team in scoring from the blueline, it’s obvious some offence is coming and whether that’s now or in 2 years, he’s going to get paid. Not giving him the reps to become a better dman would be an egregious error on management’s and/or the coach’s parts. This isn’t a 7 game “heater”, it’s a 46 game progression. Not only that but just because a player hasn’t played on the PP in his previous 3 years doesn’t mean he can’t do it now or he’s not equipped to do it. He doesn’t have to score goals to be an effective piece of the powerplay either as you’ll see below.

Moving on…

These are the lines as of practise yesterday:

The PP units have been altered slightly as well.

Now with Nuge out 5-6 weeks, how is that going to change what direction the Oilers go on the trade market and what kind of effect will his absence have on the Oilers’ roster?

Well, we can already see that the special teams units have been affected. The 2nd unit has no true playmaker but maybe that’s not such a huge deal. I put it out on Twitter and Kurt Leavins suggested that McLellan might just load up one unit and run that group for 1:30 of the 2-minute man-advantage. I remember back in the early 90s that the Pittsburgh Penguins would run Mario Lemieux’s unit for nearly the entire PP and it was so deadly that they were rarely out there for more that 1:30. The downside to this tactic might be having to run your bottom 6ers immediately after the PP and risk a bad matchup vs. the other team’s better players.

This season Ryan Nugent-Hopkins took over Jordan Eberle’s scoring, so we may very well get hit there too. That being said, Nuge only had two goals in the last month, so I might be wrong there.

The Oilers PK could take a hit as well. Nugent-Hopkins has been a mainstay on the kill since he joined the team and I find him to be a good penalty-killer. Will the road PK continue to be top-5 in the NHL with RNH on the IR?

On the other end of the spectrum here is an opportunity. When one player goes down with an injury, it opens up the door for another player to take advantage of the situation. I believe that most fans are thinking that person will be Ryan Strome. I think it will be Jujhar Khaira. But it’s entirely possible that it’ll be both.

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Bumping Strome up to the 1st unit PP might be exactly what he needs to kick start some production out of the guy and I really love Khaira on the PK. I think he’s just as good of a player as Benoit Pouliot in that role.

Where do the Oilers go from here with the trade deadline approaching fast?

I am of the belief there are two ways they can go:

  • Go for it! – Basically, try and do the improbable and make the playoffs. Make trades that’ll better the club more than weaken it.
  • FIRE SALE! – Concede the season and make plans for the summer and next season.

There’s actually a third way to go and that’s simply staying status quo.

There’s a belief that the Oilers really need that right-handed PP guy who can improve the Oilers’ transition game but if we look at some of the teams who have top PPs we might be tempted to believe that a top RH’d defenseman isn’t what the team needs for its PP but more for its transitions.

2017/18 Top PP Teams (PP%/goals):

  1. Pittsburgh (26.9%/46) – 3 goals from dmen (Letang has 2, Oleksiak has 1)
  2. Winnipeg (25.5%/42) – 4 goals from dmen (Myers has 3, Byfuglien has 1)
  3. Tampa Bay (24.4%/39) – 3 goals from dmen (Sergachev has 2, Hedman has 1)
  4. Nashville (23.6%/38) – 12 goals from dmen (Josi has 5, Ekholm has 4, Subban has 3)
  5. San Jose (22.1%/34)- 7 goals from dmen (Burns has 4, Heed has 2, Vlasic has 1)

Edmonton’s PP is 27th in the NHL and running at a blistering 15.4% and they’ve only scored 19 times with the man advantage with Oscar Klefbom scoring the only tally from the point on said PP.

Kind of a long way of saying that maybe the Oilers don’t need to pay a premium price for an effective RH’d defenseman who can run the PP. Maybe if they’re going to make a big move using a Nugent-Hopkins or a Klefbom, that they go for an elite RH’d 2-way defender who is an upgrade on the current personnel offensively.

But I digress (sort of). Despite Nugent-Hopkins being hurt, there’d still be teams interested in him, like the Montreal Canadiens, the Columbus Blue Jackets, the Arizona Coyotes, and the Carolina Hurricanes.

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A wild card might be the Colorado Avalanche though. Now that they’ve got Samuel Girard running their PP due to Tyson Barrie’s injury, is there an opportunity there for the Avs to send Barrie to Edmonton for RNH to upgrade their 2C position from Carl Soderberg?

The Boston Bruins are looking to add a LH’d dman apparently and if it weren’t for the strained relationship between Chiarelli and the Bruins brass, I’d think there would be a real chance at Chiarelli being able to strike a deal there.

Those would be summer moves though.

Realistically, the UFAs are gonzo. I’m not sure if Slepyshev will find a new home next month or head back to Russia this summer. So what we’ll be looking at is Chiarelli thinning out the wings even more so and replacing those players with temporary solutions with an eye to the summer where he’ll (if he’s around) sort out the flanks then.

Does that mean Ty Rattie and Brad Malone are coming up from Bakersfield? Does it mean we’ll finally see Slepyshev (if he survives the deadline and McLellan) up in a top-6 role? If those players were successful in their short stints, would you sit on them and look for them to continue their performances into 2017/18 or would you try to deal them or simply say thanks for helping out and let them walk?

If Chiarelli and his team decide to take a mulligan this year I’d be very excited to see who he brings in but concerned for the compete level of the team for the rest of the campaign. It’s been a bad luck year which keeps getting compounded with injuries like the one to RNH.

Would you be okay if he moved out some of the youthful players who are RFAs this summer like Drake Caggiula or Matt Benning in return for some older players who have term left on their deals? Maybe you trade both for Andrew Shaw or simply one of them for Charles Hudon (sniper with a poor sh%).

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G-Money on Dealing Nugent-Hopkins

***Yesterday we posted an article speaking to the disappointing seasons that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jesse Puljujarvi were having and I asked the boys for their thoughts on what we should do with the Nuge. You can read that article HERE.

I did the same on Twitter with this poll and I’m not surprised with the results. It’s not like my followers are wrong 🙂

It’s funny, each time I’ve decided to post an article detailing how unimpressed I am with a specific player, they decide to go ahead in the following game and put up some points… Maybe I should do it more often.

Now, as I mentioned in the article yesterday, G-Money’s (@oilersnerdalert) excerpt was lifted from a longer reply to my question and now I’d like to share G-Money’s full reply with you. Bon Appetit! – BLH***

Q: What’s wrong with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and Should the Oilers Trade Him?

A: a. Nothing other than a run of bad luck, and b. God no!

On point a, one of my lenses for looking at a player is “WoodMoney“, the matchup-based quality of competition methodology that @Woodguy55 and I put together. Here’s a look at how much time Nuge is spending facing the various levels of competition, and how he is doing so far this year as compared to the other two main centres (I’ve included both Corsi and DangerFen for the Elite tier, but only CF% vs the others so as not to turn an intimidating table of numbers into an overwhelming one ):

Nuge

% TOI vs Elite – 41%
CF% –  45.9%
DFF%  – 44.9%
% TOI vs Middle – 39%
CF% – 53.9%
% TOI vs Gritensity – 20%
CF% – 59.7%

McDavid 

% TOI vs Elite – 32%
CF% – 53.4%
DFF% – 56.0%
% TOI vs Middle – 46%
CF% – 55.1%
% TOI vs Gritensity – 22%
CF% – 56.8%

Draisaitl 

% TOI vs Elite – 27%
CF% – 49.5%
DFF% – 48.0%
% TOI vs Middle – 49%
CF% – 50.0%
% TOI vs Gritensity – 24%
CF% – 55.0%

Conclusions

On point a:

1. McDavid is stupid good. He destroys everyone.

2. Nuge is being used by TMc as the shutdown power vs power centre this year. Not McDavid. Not Draisaitl. Nuge is the guy spending 41% of his time against the best players in the NHL. That’s creating a ton of clear air for McDavid and Draisaitl. If you’re comparing things like points, you better take that into account. Nuge’s points are being sacrificed to give the other two a chance to score more.

3. When Nuge is up against those great players, it’s true he’s struggling to keep his head above water.  Moreso than in years past.  And he’s not the only one. My suggestion: give him Eberle and Pouliot on an ongoing basis. Let those two (who are both struggling) right their ships. Nuge’s ship will get fixed right along with them.

4. When Nuge is not against those great players, against pretty much every one else, he runs roughshod.  The Nuge is Yuuuuuuuge!

5. So there is nothing wrong with Nuge, except:

On point b:

Nuge is shooting at 5.1% this season. He has a career average of 11.2% prior to this season. So he’s shooting at less than half of his career average.

He’ll find his groove again, guaranteed.

Every player’s sh% varies wildly above and below their long-term average. And it’s more or less random (if a player could control it, they’d always shoot above their average, which would raise their average, which means they’d shoot at random above and below that average, which…)

That’s just how it goes. Sh% controls you, you don’t control sh%.

Now as for trading Nuge … well, my thought process is always that whether it makes sense to trade a player is based entirely on the return.  Anyone is on the block if what you’re getting back is good enough.

But you know what would be stupid though? Trading a player at what would in effect be the maximum possible discount because of one of those sh% lows.

***With G-Money’s balanced analysis and down-to-Earth reasoning, it’s hard, for me at least, to want to move Nuge ASAP because I’m curious as hell as to what the Oilers might look like if they have all three of McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH humming along on the offense.

What do you think? Let us know in the comments below!***

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Barrie Vs. Trouba: Who Would Be a Better Fit for the Oilers

Tyson Barrie

The day is upon us! I imagine it will be quite anti-climatic for Oilers fans. Tyson Barrie will be a member of the Colorado Avalanche for one or two more seasons at least because the Avs simply have all of the power right now. If I’m not mistaken Barrie is under team control for at least another two years. So the ball is in their court unless Barrie wants to steal it and run home with it.

Woodguy had another great spot on Lowetide’s show yesterday and in it he talked about Barrie and Trouba. I’m going to do my best to transcribe it below and then comment on it because he made some interesting points regarding the two with regards to the Oilers. If you want to listen to it I’ll put the soundcloud link at the end of the transcription. The talk about Trouba/Barrie starts around minute 33.

*I got in touch with Woodguy after this post was finished and he told me he’d mis-said somethings and tweeted out the following to clear them up*


LT: Is he (Barrie) a good fit, a great fit, or a perfect fit for the Oilers?

WG: I think he’s a good fit Al. The shine has come off of Barrie for me a little bit as I keep digging deeper and deeper into defensemen trying to figure out what makes them good. And as I dig deeper into defensemen Al, I value points less and I value possession more and defending more, the ability to defend and the ability to turn the puck up ice. I value that more than points.

So for instance if you had a Jacob Trouba on one side and Barrie on the other, they’re both available for the exact same dollars, I take Trouba 100 times out of 100 because of how he plays 5×5, how he defends 5×5 and his ability to transition the puck.

He affects the shots against in a good way, the shots for in a good way and Barrie does that but not on the same scale and actually Barrie doesn’t do that. The shots against go up when Barrie’s on the ice. He’s a bit of a saloon door that way but he scores so much that you kinda forgive him for it.

But I want a guy that’s better both ways, a guy that affects the shots for in a positive way, a guy that affects the shots against in a positive way.

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LT: And that’s Hamonic.

WG: That’s Hamonic, that’s uhhhhh. Actually Hamonic. No, it’s not Hamonic. The shots against go up when Hamonic is on the ice.

No, there’s only a few guys who can do that and the list is shorter than I thought it’d be and believe it or not, Trouba falls into that list.

So, you know, and you have RNH and McDavid, so I don’t think the Oilers really need a PP quarterback out on that right-hand defenseman, they just need a shot and Trouba’s got a howitzer.

You know, one of the reasons I’m starting to value points less 5×5 Al, think about this.

LT: This is about defenseman.

WG: This is about defensemen, the top 10 NHL teams in goals for last year, Washington didn’t have a Barrie-type, Florida had Campbell mehhh.

LT: What about Mike Green?

WG: Mike Green played for Detroit last year. Old man.

Dallas had Klingberg and that’s one thing and he’s there and Pittsburgh had Letang, Rangers had McDonagh. So they kinda had one guy but then you have Boston, Tampa, the Islanders, Calgary, Columbus.

No one is that Barrie-Type yet, these guys (teams) score the most. If you look at why they score the most, you look at their overall defense core in terms of transitioning the puck. The Rangers kinda stick out like a sore thumb but otherwise those are pretty decent teams defense core-wise. Columbus is a little weird but we can get into that, they have a really nice set of forwards in terms of possession and scoring.

But that’s your top 5×5 scoring teams Al and that’s where the Oilers really need help and you don’t necessarily need a Barrie-type,  you need a solid solid top four. So if you can add a Trouba and I think that helps the Oilers much much much more than a Barrie.


Isn’t that crazy? I was under the impression that Barrie was far and away the better player. But if we take a look at some of the charts we have available like the HERO chart and Ryan Stimson’s passing project chart (I’m not sure how often this chart is being updated though, it says last updated in July of 2015… So take that chart with a grain of salt).

Be forewarned, the post is about to get a bit long due to the charts and stats. If you want to you can scroll down a bit and you’ll probably get the gist in the conclusion.

(HERO chart) courtesy of http://ownthepuck.blogspot.tw/

 

(Passing chart) http://ownthepuck.blogspot.tw/

So even with these two charts, it’s tough to discern who is truly the better of the two. You’d probably look at both charts and say Barrie is much better than Trouba but what if we use the Woodmoney metrics to toss some more confusion into the salad bowl?

Name TOI Competition Conf.

DFF/60

DFA/60

Tyson Barrie 278:22 Elite West

40.6

49.4

Tyson Barrie 139:52 Elite East

33.5

46.4

Tyson Barrie 208:51 Elite Home

41

52.1

Tyson Barrie 209:23 Elite Away

35.5

44.6

Tyson Barrie 418:14 Elite Both

38.2

48.4

Tyson Barrie 319:29 Muddle West

35.1

41.5

Tyson Barrie 229:33 Muddle East

34.8

40.8

Tyson Barrie 280:37 Muddle Home

34.7

40.7

Tyson Barrie 268:25 Muddle Away

35.3

41.8

Tyson Barrie 549:02 Muddle Both

35

41.2

Tyson Barrie 292:22 Dregs West

28.5

40.8

Tyson Barrie 163:22 Dregs East

45.4

43

Tyson Barrie 197:46 Dregs Home

34.6

46.2

Tyson Barrie 257:58 Dregs Away

34.5

38

Tyson Barrie 455:44 Dregs Both

34.5

41.6

Tyson Barrie 1423:00 All All

35.8

43.4

So with Barrie, we can see that he had his most successful defensive deployment versus the “dregs” of the NHL when Colorado was away from home. Basically the bottom tier of players. And his most successful offensive deployment came against the “dregs” of the Eastern Conference.

All in All, his dangerous fenwick for per sixty isn’t great and neither is his dangerous fenwick against per sixty. He puts up points at the sacrifice of his team’s defence is how I am reading things.

Name TOI Competition Conf.

DFF/60

DFA/60

Jacob Trouba 304:48 Elite West

45.2

41

Jacob Trouba 148:17 Elite East

30.4

36.1

Jacob Trouba 217:21 Elite Home

40

37.4

Jacob Trouba 235:44 Elite Away

40.7

41.3

Jacob Trouba 453:05 Elite Both

40.4

39.4

Jacob Trouba 274:11 Muddle West

37

31.9

Jacob Trouba 209:06 Muddle East

46.6

35.5

Jacob Trouba 244:54 Muddle Home

42.2

32.3

Jacob Trouba 238:23 Muddle Away

40.1

34.6

Jacob Trouba 483:17 Muddle Both

41.2

33.4

Jacob Trouba 272:51 Dregs West

44.1

32.2

Jacob Trouba 178:41 Dregs East

41.2

40.3

Jacob Trouba 208:12 Dregs Home

52.3

30.9

Jacob Trouba 243:20 Dregs Away

34.9

39.3

Jacob Trouba 451:32 Dregs Both

43

35.4

Jacob Trouba 1387:54 All All

41.5

36

Jacob Trouba’s most successful defensive deployment came when we was put out against the “dregs” when Winnipeg played away from home and his most successful offensive deployment came versus against the same competition.

The big difference between Trouba and Barrie here is in the final tallies.

Trouba DFF/60 – 41.5 DFA/60 – 36
Barrie   DFF/60 – 36.8 DFA/60 – 43.4

I believe the numbers are telling me that Jacob Trouba is a far a better defenseman than Tyson Barrie and that flows with what Woodguy was saying. He creates more dangerous shot attempts per sixty and he prevents more dangerous shot attempts per sixty minutes than Tyson Barrie.

What are their impacts on teammates?

charts courtesy of http://www.corsica.hockey/combos/

Trouba’s WOWYs come out on top as well.

So one (as an Oilers fan) really has to ask themselves, are the Edmonton Oilers better off with a Jacob Trouba-type or a Tyson Barrie-type?

For me, I love what Jacob Trouba brings to the table. He’s mean, he can play actual defense and he’s got a bloody hard shot. He’s the modern-day Dave Manson in my opinion. Probably a better skater. But his contract demands scare me a bit. Would that be an issue in the future? Could you imagine a top six like this:

Klefbom/Larsson
Sekera/Trouba
Nurse/Davidson

Good Lord have mercy on the forwards of the NHL!!

That being said though, the Oilers haven’t had an pure offensive dman in some time. A guy that can put up points from the… Point would be quite the addition but I’m not sure it’s a pertinent need for Edmonton right now. I’d rather have a defense that can move the puck efficiently to the forwards and let them do the scoring.

If the Oilers can produce an offensive dman from within (Joey Laleggia/Jordan Oesterle??) and toss him out there with cherry minutes and soft zone starts whilst getting some PP minutes, what’s the hurt in that? This would allow them to move a Brandon Davidson into the no.4 spot on defense and give the Oilers a very solid top-two pairings, each with a shut-down defenseman and a puck mover.

From my understanding the Oilers have talked to the Jets in the past and we know they’ve been talking to the Avalanche. As far as I know these have been the asks from each team for their player:

Winnipeg wanted Oscar Klefbom AND Darnell Nurse for Jacob Trouba.
Colorado wants Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson for Tyson Barrie and Jarome Iginla (apparently).

Now, doesn’t that throw a wrench into things. If that’s the cost of doing business, I think that the shop should be closed for the summer in E-town. The Oilers finally have some depth in nearly every position and there’s competition for the top six forwards and the bottom four defensemen. I would say that this would be a good time to stand pat and see what the players within the organization can offer before making another trade or signing.

What do you think? I hope I haven’t butchered the understanding of those stats but if I have let me know in the comments below!

 

Hockey Desperately Needs a Better Competition Metric (Part 2 of 2)

EDMONTON, AB – OCTOBER 25: Connor McDavid #97 of the Edmonton Oilers battles for the puck against Drew Doughty #8 of the Los Angeles Kings on October 25, 2015 at Rexall Place in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. (Photo by Andy Devlin/NHLI via Getty Images)

This article is part 2 of 2.

In part 1, I noted that using shot metrics for evaluating individual players is heavily influenced by teammates, coaches usage (zone starts), and competition*.

I believe we have decent tools for understanding the effect of teammates and zone starts – but I believe this is not at all true for competition metrics (dubbed QoC, or Quality of Competition).

And the reality is that understanding competition is critical to using shot metrics for player evaluation. If current QoC measures are not good, this means QoC is a huge weakness in the use of shot metrics for player evaluation.

I believe this is the case.

Let’s see if I can make a convincing case for you!

*Truthfully, there are quite a few other contextual factors, like team, and score state. These shot metrics have been around for a decade plus, and they’ve been studied (and are now often adjusted) heavily. Some of the effects that have been identified can be quite subtle and counterintuitive. From the point of view of assessing *a* player on *a* team, it doesn’t hurt us to focus on these three factors.

It Just Doesn’t Matter – You’re Kidding, Right?

If you bring up Quality of Competition with many fancystats people, they’ll often look at you and flat out tell you that “quality of competition doesn’t matter.”

This response will surprise many – and frankly, it should.

We know competition matters.

We know that a player is going to have a way harder time facing Sidney Crosby than facing Tanner Glass.

We know that coaches gameplan to face Taylor Hall, not his roommate Luke Gazdic (so long, lads). And they gameplan primarily with player matchups.

Are our eyes and the coaches that far out to lunch?

Yes, say the fancystats. Because, they say, when you calculate quality of competition, you just don’t see that much difference in the level of competition faced by different players. Therefore, so conventional wisdom dictates, it doesn’t matter.

The Numbers Suggest Matchups Matter

I don’t have to rely on just the eye test to contradict this line of thought – the numbers do the work too. For example, here are the head to head matchup numbers (I trot these out as a textbook example of coaching matchups) for the three Montreal defense pairs against Edmonton from the game on February 7th, 2016:

vs

Hall

McDavid

Subban-Markov

~ 3 mins

~ 10 mins

Petry-Emelin

~ 8 mins

~ 5 mins

Gilbert-Barberio

~ 40 seconds

~ 14 seconds

Does that look like “Quality of Competition” doesn’t matter? It sure mattered for both Hall and McDavid, not to mention all three Montreal defense pairs. Fifteen minutes vs 14 seconds is not a coincidence. That was gameplanned.

So how do we reconcile this?

Let’s dig in and see why maybe conventional wisdom is just plain wrong – maybe the problem is not with the quality of competition but the way in which we measure it.

It Would Hit You Like Peter Gabriel’s Sledgehammer

I’ll start by showing you an extremely valuable tool for assessing players in the context of zone starts and QoC, which is Rob Vollman’s Player Usage Charts, often called sledgehammer charts.

This chart is for Oiler defensemen in 2015-2016:

This shows three of the four things we’ve talked about previously:

  • The bubble colour (blue good) shows the shot metrics balance of good/bad for that individual
  • The farther to the right the bubble, the more faceoffs a player was on the ice for in the offensive zone – favourable zone starts or coaches usage in other words
  • The higher the bubble, the tougher the Quality of Competition

Notice something about the QoC though. See how it has such a narrow range? The weakest guy on there is Clendening at -0.6. The toughest is Klefbom at a shade over 1.0.

If you’re not familiar with “CorsiRel” (I’ll explain later), take my word for it: that’s not a very meaningful range. If you told me Player A has a CorsiRel of 1.0, and another has a CorsiRel of 0.0, I wouldn’t ascribe a lot of value to that difference. Yet that range easily encompasses 8 of the 11 defenders on the chart.

So no wonder the fancystatters say QoC doesn’t matter. The entire range we see, for a full season for an entire defensive corps worst to last, is a very small difference. Clendening basically faced barely weaker competition than did Klefbom.

Or did he?  That doesn’t sound right, does it?  Yeah, the Oiler D was a tire fire and injuries played havoc – but Todd McLellan wasn’t sending Clendening out to face Joe Thornton if he could help it.

To figure out what might be wrong, let’s dig in to see how we come up with these numbers that show such a thin margin of difference.

Time Weighs On Me

The process for calculating a QoC metric starts by assigning every player in the league a value that reflects how tough they are as competition.

Then when we need the QoC level faced by a particular player:

  • we look at all the players he faced, multiply (weight) the amount of time spent against that player with the competition value of that player
  • we add it all up, and presto, you have a QoC measure for the given player

Assuming that the time on ice calculations are reasonably fixed by, you know, time on ice, it should be clear that the validity of this QoC metric is almost entirely dependent on the validity of the ‘competition value’ assigned to each player.

If that competition value isn’t good, then you have a GIGO (garbage in garbage out) situation, and your QoC metric isn’t going to work either.

There are three different data values that are commonly used for calculating a QoC metric, so let’s take a look at each one and see if it meets the test of validity.

Using Corsi for Qoc

Many fancystats people who feel that QoC doesn’t matter will point to this post by Eric Tulsky to justify their reasoning.

Tulsky (now employed by the Hurricanes) is very, very smart, and one of the pillars of the hockey fancystats movement. He’s as important and influential as Vic Ferarri (Tim Barnes), JLikens (Tore Purdy), Gabe Desjardins, and mc79hockey (Tyler Dellow). So when he speaks – we listen.

The money quote in his piece is this:

Everyone faces opponents with both good and bad shot differential, and the differences in time spent against various strength opponents by these metrics are minimal.

Yet all that said – I think Tulsky’s conclusions in that post on QoC are wrong. I would assert that the problem he encounters, and the reason he gets the poor results that he does, is that he uses a player’s raw Corsi (shot differential) as the sole ‘competition value’ measure.

All his metric does is tell you is how a player did against other players of varying good and bad shot differential. It actually does a poor job of telling you the quality of the players faced, which is the leap of faith being made. Yet the leap is unjustified, because players of much, much different ability can have the same raw Corsi score.

To test that, we can rank all the players last season by raw Corsi, and here’s a few of the problems we immediately see:

  • Patrice Cormier (played two games for WPG) is the toughest competition in the league
  • He’s joined in the Top 10 by E Rodrigues, Sgarbossa, J Welsh, Dowd, Poirier, Brown, Tangradi, Witkowski, and Forbort.
  • Mark Arcobello is in the top 20, approximately 25 spots ahead of Joe Thornton
  • Anze Kopitar just signed for $10MM/yr while everyone nodded their head in agreement – while Cody Hodgson might have to look for work in Europe, and this will garner the same reaction. Yet using raw Corsi as the measure, they are the same level of competition (57.5%)
  • Chris Kunitz is about 55th on the list – approximately 40 spots ahead of Sidney Crosby
  • Don’t feel bad, Sid – at least you’re miles ahead of Kessel, Jamie Benn, and Nikita Nikitin – who is himself several spots above Brent Burns and Alex Ovechkin.

*Note: all data sourced from the outstanding site corsica.hockey. Pull up the league’s players, sort them using the factors above for the 2015-2016 season, and you should be able to recreate everything I’m describing above.

I could go on, but you get the picture, right? The busts I’ve listed are not rare. They’re all over the place.

Now, why might we be seeing these really strange results?

  • Sample size!  Poor players play little, and that means their shot metrics can jump all over the place.  Play two minutes, have your line get two shots and give up one shot, and raw Corsi will anoint you one of the toughest players in the league. We can account for this when looking at the data, but computationally it can wreak havoc if unaccounted for.
  • Even with large sample sizes, you can get very minimal difference in shot differential between very different players because of coaches matching lines and playing “like vs like”. The best players tend to play against the best players and their Corsi is limited due to playing against the best. Similarly, mediocre players tend to play against mediocre players and their Corsi is inflated accordingly. It’s part of the problem we’re trying to solve!
  • For that same reason, raw Corsi tends to overinflate the value of 3rd pairing Dmen, because they so often are playing against stick-optional players who are Corsi black holes.
  • The raw Corsi number is heavily influenced by the quality of the team around a player.

Corsi is a highly valuable statistic, particularly as a counterpoint to more traditional measures like boxcars. But as a standalone measure for gauging the value of a player, it is deeply flawed. Any statistic that uses raw Corsi as its only measure of quality is going to fail. GIGO, remember?

Knowing what we know – is it a surprise that Tulsky got the results he got?

So we should go ahead and rule out using raw Corsi as a useful basis for QoC.

Using Relative Corsi for QoC

If you aren’t familiar with RelCorsi, it’s pretty simple: instead of using a raw number, for each player we just take the number ‘relative’ to the teams numbers.

For example, a player with a raw Corsi of 52 but on a team that is at 54 will get a -2, while a player with a raw Corsi of 48 will get a +2 if his team is at 46.

The idea here is good players on bad teams tend to get hammered on Corsi, while bad players on good teams tend to get a boost. So we cover that off by looking at how good a player is relative to their team.

Using RelCor as the basis for a QoC metric does in general appear to produce better results. When you look at a list of players using RelCor to sort them, the cream seems to be more likely to rise to the top.

Still, if you pull up a table of players sorted by RelCor (the Vollman sledgehammer I posted earlier uses this metric as its base for QoC), again you very quickly start to see the issues:

  • Our top 10 is once again a murderers row of Vitale, Sgarbossa, Corey Power Potter Play, Rodrigues, Brown, Tangradi, Poirier, Cormier, Welsh, and Strachan.
  • Of all the players with regular ice time, officially your toughest competition is Nino Niederreiter.  Nino?  No no!
  • Top defenders Karlsson and Hedman are right up there, but they are followed closely by R Pulock and D Pouliot, well ahead of say OEL and Doughty.
  • Poor Sid, he can’t even crack the Top 100 this time.

Again, if we try and deconstruct why we get these wonky results, it suggests two significant flaws:

  • Coach’s deployment. Who a player plays and when they play is a major driver of RelCor. You can see this once again with 3rd pairing D men, whose RelCor, like their raw Corsi, is often inflated.
  • The depth of the team. Good players on deep teams tend to have weaker RelCors than those on bad teams (the opposite of the raw Corsi effect). This is why Nicklas Backstrom (+1.97) and Sam Gagner (+1.95) can have very similar RelCor numbers while being vastly different to play against.

RelCor is a very valuable metric in the right context, but suffers terribly as a standalone metric for gauging the value of a player.

Like raw Corsi, despite its widespread use we should rule out relative Corsi as a useful standalone basis for QoC.

Using 5v5 TOI for QoC

This is probably the most widely used (and arguably best) tool for delineating QoC. This was also pioneered by the venerable Eric Tulsky.

When we sort a list of players using the aggregated TOI per game of their “average” opponent, we see the cream tend to rise to the top even moreso than with RelCor.

And analyzing the data under the hood used to generate this QoC, our top three “toughest competition” players are now Ryan Suter, Erik Karlsson, and Drew Doughty. Sounding good, right?

But like with the two Corsi measures, if you look at the ratings using this measure, you can still see problematic results all over, with clearly poor players ranked ahead of good players quite often. For example:

  • The top of the list is all defensemen.
  • Our best forward is Evander Kane, at #105. Next up are Patrick Kane (123rd), John Tavares (134th), and Taylor Hall (144th). All top notch players, but the ranking is problematic to say the least. Especially when you see Roman Polak at 124th.
  • Even among defensemen, is Subban really on par with Michael del Zotto? Is Jordan Oesterle the same as OEL? Is Kris Russel so much better than Giordano, Vlasic, and Muzzin?
  • Poor old Crosby is still not in the Top 100, although he finally is when you look at just forwards.
  • Nuge is finally living up to his potential, though, ahead of Duchene and Stamkos!

OK, I’ll stop there. You get my point. This isn’t the occasional cherry picked bust, you can see odd results like this all over.

Looking at the reasons for these busts, you see at least two clear reasons:

  • Poor defensemen generally get as much or more time on ice than do very good forwards. Putting all players regardless of position on the same TOI scale simply doesn’t work. (Just imagine if we included goaltenders in this list – even the worst goalies would of course skyrocket to the top of the list).
  • Depth of roster has a significant effect as well. Poor players on bad teams get lots of ice time – it’s a big part of what makes them bad teams after all. Coaches also have favourites or assign sideburns to players for reasons other than hockeying (e.g. Justin Schultz and the Oilers is arguably a good example of both weak depth of roster and coach’s favoritism).

So once again, we find ourselves concluding that the underlying measure to this QoC, TOI, tells you a lot about a player, but there are very real concerns in using it as a standalone measure.

Another problem shows up when we actually try to use this measure in the context of QoC: competition blending.

As a player moves up and down the roster (due to injuries or coaches preference) their QoC changes. At the end of the year we are left with one number to evaluate their QoC but if this roster shuttling has happened, that one number doesn’t represent who they actually played very well.

A good example of the blending problem is Mark Fayne during this past year.  When you look at his overall TOIQoC, he is either 1 or 2 on the Oilers, denoting that he had the toughest matchups.

His overall CF% was also 49.4%, so a reasonable conclusion was that “he held his own against the best”.  Turns out – it wasn’t really true.  He got shredded like coleslaw against the tough matchups.

Down the road, Woodguy (@Woodguy55) and I will show you why this is not really true, and that it is a failing of TOIC as a metric. It tells us how much TOI a player’s average opponent had, but it doesn’t tell us anything more.  We’re left to guess, with the information often pointing us in the wrong direction.

A Malfunction in the Metric

Let’s review what we’ve discussed and found so far:

  • QoC measures as currently used do not show a large differentiation in the competition faced by NHL players. This is often at odds with observed head to head matchups.
  • Even when they do show a difference, they give us no context on how to use that to adjust the varying shot metrics results that we see. Does an increase of 0.5 QoC make up for a 3% Corsi differential between players?  Remember from Part 1 that understanding the context of competition is critical to assessing the performance of the player.  Now we have a number – but it doesn’t really help.
  • The three metrics most commonly used as the basis for QoC are demonstrably poor when used as a standalone measure of ‘quality’ of player.
  • So it should be no surprise that assessments using these QoC measures produce results at odds with observation.
  • Do those odd results reflect reality on the ice, or a malfunction in the metric? Looking in depth at the underlying measures, the principle of GIGO suggests it may very well be the metric that is at fault.

Which leaves us … where?

We know competition is a critical contextual aspect of using shot metrics to evaluate players.

But our current QoC metrics appear to be built on a foundation of sand.

Hockey desperately needs a better competition metric.

Now lest this article seem like one long shrill complaint, or cry for help … it’s not. It’s setting the background for a QoC project that Woodguy and I have been working on for quite some time.

Hopefully we’ll convince you there is an answer to this problem, but it requires approaching QoC in an entirely different way.

Stay tuned!

P.S.

And the next time someone tells you “quality of competition doesn’t matter”, you tell them that “common QoC metrics are built on poor foundational metrics that cannot be used in isolation for measuring the quality of players. Ever hear of GIGO?”

Then drop the mic and walk.

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