How Much Does a Right-Handed Defenseman Go For Anyway…

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So, at this point of the year, we’re left wondering with these two questions.  First, what is a quality Top-6 NHL winger worth, and second, what is the going price for a quality Top-4 right-handed defenseman.

In an effort to answer these burning questions while I wait for the snow to melt so I can start golfing, because, well, that’s what us Oilers fans do in the spring, here’s my best guess.

To do this, we can essentially just look at the deals for defensemen, there’s really only been 8 deals involving high-end right-handed defensemen in recent history, and here’s how they break down:

  • Jason Demers, originally a 7th round pick, had played parts of 6 seasons with the San Jose Sharks when he was dealt to the Dallas Stars for a 3rd round pick and Brenden Dillon. At that point of his career, he could safely be considered a 4/5 defenseman who has flourished in Dallas with more opportunity;
    • He was dealt for a defenseman who was younger and considered to have more upside at the time, and who was 6’3 225lbs.
  • Kevin Shattenkirk, in his first season with the Avalanche, was dealt along with a 2nd round pick and Chris Stewart, at the time considered a Top-6 NHL power forward, for Erik Johnson, a first round pick, and a depth forward;
    • Once again, we have defensemen going both ways in this deal as a balance, and both were considered quality young defensemen with high upside;
  • Matt Niskanen was dealt, along with James Neal, to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Alex Goligoski, who at the time was considered a potentially premier offensive defenseman;
    • Again, we see a defenseman for a defenseman swap, with the better defensemen resulting in the inclusion of a scoring winger;
  • Tyler Myers, along with pending UFA winger Drew Stafford, a pair of prospects and a first round pick to the Winnipeg Jets for Evander Kane and Zack Bogosian;
    • Once again we see scoring forwards to balance the deal in favour of who gets the better defenseman, but again there are defensemen moving in the deal;

Now, to look at the deals where no other defensemen were involved:

  • Brent Burns for Devin Setoguchi and a first. Now, it has to be noted here, Burns was as much a winger as a defenseman at this time, and therefore was dealt for another winger with an included draft pick;
  • Dustin Byfuglien (along with Ben Eager, Brent Sopel and Akim Aliu) for a 1st, 2nd, and a selection of depth forwards. Once again, Byfuglien was considered as much a power forward, and therefore his price was more along the lines of a scoring forward;
  • Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. This was the most recent move, where a larger 1st line center was moved for a player who, although having potential, was a 2nd pairing right-hand defenseman on his team;
  • Johnny Boychuk for two 2nds and a conditional 3rd. It has to be noted that the Islanders caught Boston in a bad cap situation and was able to take advantage of it due to their cap space. This deal, although fans scream for the Oilers to make a similar one, was lighting in a bottle and is unlikely to be duplicated;
  • Dougie Hamilton was dealt for a 1st and two 2nd round picks when he didn’t sign his RFA deal;

So, to summarize, we can discount the Boychuk deal as a rarity, and we can consider the Burns and Byfuglien deals to essential be for forwards (at the time).  That leaves us with the various deals where they are essentially Best Defensemen in the Deal for Scoring Forward and Lesser Defenseman, and then the deal of a 2nd pairing with potential Defenseman for a Top-3 Center.  This shows us how much value is generally placed on a right-handed defenseman, and we can expect one of our younger left-handed defenseman will be going alongside any winger we deal to obtain such a right-handed defenseman.

Now, one can debate the quality of players such as Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov or Taylor Hall, but as becomes clear, no one deals a quality right-handed defenseman for a winger unless a secondary defenseman was included.  Goligoski for Niskanen and Neal are an example of this.  The only real exception would be the Burns scenario, which would still place a rough price of approximately Jordan Eberle and our first round pick to make that deal happen.  Essentially, any deal the Oilers do will probably have to include one of Oesterle, Davidson or even Klefbom along with a winger to get that quality right-side defenseman, or else our first-round pick plus a winger.  The only exception would be if the Oilers chose to deal Nugent-Hopkins, who may at best on his own fetch a right-handed defenseman with “potential”.

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Would You Do This Deal?

As I was listening to Lowetide’s show from Friday it got the wheels turning in my head bone. What they were talking about on that show was the idea of trading of Taylor Hall. Now this subject is as contentious as they come but most everyone with their heads screwed on right dismiss the idea right from the get go UNLESS the return is that of a no.1 defenseman but what if there was a way to trade Hall, get that no.1 dman AND fill the hole that Hall would leave?

Lowetide had his guests on the show address this very topic. My interpretation of his guests responses were as such: Will Fraser give his top 6000 right-handed shooting dmen he’d deal Hall for, Alex Thomas from the Oilers rig came on to give his opinion (If it’s a Subban/Hall deal, do it!), Matt Iwanyk said the Oilers should start the upgrading of the defense by offering Eberle and if that’s not working, move up to Hall. LT’s last guest Paul Almeida was saying that the Oilers should put Eberle’s name out there to see how the market values him, select Auston Matthews, and at least take a shot at Stamkos and see where talks go. Almeida made the comparison money-wise of Stamkos being equivalent to Eberle/Pouliot, which would you take?

So what came to my mind is that obviously you don’t want to trade Taylor Hall because he’s a driver and the team would suffer unless he was replaced in the line-up somewhere by another driver like Erik Karlsson, PK Subban, or a Drew Doughty type BUT what if the Oilers could secure Steven Stamkos as a free agent?

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There are a couple of reasons that Stamkos came to mind and one of them was watching the Oilers piss away a handful of powerplays and scoring chances versus the Avalanche because they didn’t have a trigger man and another reason is, the Oilers had better get him before the Flames do and you know damned well if they had a chance to sign Stammer, they’d get it done.

So here’s how it’d work in the circus that is my mind.

  • Oiler sign Stamkos to a Toews/Kane-like deal. ($10.5M x 8yrs)
  • Trade Hall to St.Louis for Alex Pietrangelo.
    • You trade Hall instead of RNH because you don’t know what you’ve got in Nuge quite yet and the team HAS to keep its centre depth. Hall is 6 years into his career and we’ve got a pretty good idea of what he is as a player but Nuge is JUST about to turn 23. Also, we’ve come to live with the fact that Hall isn’t the sniper the team requires but he is an elite playmaker and possession driver.
    • I entertain this idea regularly because I’m not sure the Blues make it out of the first round with Jake Allen/Brian Elliott/Anders Nilsson guarding their net. Also, and I’ve said this before, if they can get Shattenkirk under contract for better term and price point, they’d have to consider this.
    • Would you switch up the deal and use RNH/Nurse instead? The Blues are lacking a real solid LH dman. Maybe It’s a Klefbom package instead?
  • Move Eberle to the Islanders for Hamonic.

This would give us a glut of dmen on the back-end and bodies would need to be moved for future assets. So with that being said this is what I was thinking:

  • Nurse to the AHL?
    • I hate this idea. I don’t think it’d be fair to Darnell after playing nearly an entire year in the NHL. It’s not his fault the team kept him up even though he was getting snowed under but the fact is he’s in over his head regardless of the guys he’s kicked the shit out of and players like Oesterle and Davidson who have had time in the minors are passing him in short order on the depth chart.
  • Fayne has to go. If the team has Pietrangelo AND a Hamonic/Demers or David Savard/Brodin in the no.4 spot, there’s no need to play him as the no.6. Better off putting Davidson there.
  • Trade Klefbom? Yikes. I mean is anybody else really concerned about the future of this young man’s career and the fact that the Oilers are playing this card really close to the chest? My personal feeling is that the broken finger and staph infection weren’t/aren’t the only things he is/was dealing with. But would you swap him out for futures? I can’t see this even being a viable option in anybody’s books to be honest. His contract is way too cherry and he was the Oilers best defenceman before he went out with his injury.
  • Let Gryba/Pardy walk? The blue-collar fan would be sad to see either of these guys go but are they the necessary sacrifices to getting this team back on the path to the playoffs?

So yes, the Oilers lose their top two scorers for the past XX amount of years but they gain and they gain HUGE! Not only would its defense get the instant upgrade but so would the LW and the PP. Can you imagine McDavid feeding Stamkos on a regular basis? That alone would be an enormous plus for the Oilers. A fun fact about Stammer is that he can also play centre. So that’d give the team McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, and McDavid possibly in their top six. Surely something that would have Todd McLellan foaming at the mouth to implement.

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Could adding Stamkos, Pietrangelo, and another no.4 dman be added to the cap? Moving Hall, Eberle, and Fayne is about $16M-ish per year, adding Stamkos, Pietrangelo, and no.4 right-handed defender would be about $19-20M annually, no? So it’d be a tall order to get things moved around for a near-perfect fit but the Oilers do have some players they could move to get it done. Pouliot being one, maybe they’d have to move Yak as well, and perhaps they’d need to move Klefbom.

Would Stamkos be as pissy playing on the wing in Edmonton if Connor McDavid were his pivot? Come on, think about it… McStamkos?… Pretty tasty isn’t it? Could Tampa replace the face of their franchise with a reinvigorated Jonathan Drouin? Are they doing the right thing by letting him go, if in fact that is what they intend to do given the expiring contracts of Victor Hedman, Nikita Kucherov, Ben Bishop, etc. on the horizon?

Maybe this all pie in the sky and wishful thinking or maybe it’s not. Would this scenario have real legs come summer time? Let me know in the comments below!

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Oilers vs Avalanche Preview – Oilers look to take advantage of injured Avs


TALE OF THE TAPE:

Game: Edmonton Oilers (29-38-7, 65 pts. 6-4 in their last 10) vs Colorado Avalanche (37-31-4, 78 pts. 6-4 in their last 10)

Location: Rexall Place, Edmonton, Alberta

Time: 7:30 PM MT

Where to find it: TV: Sportsnet West – Radio: 630 CHED

Edmonton Oilers Preview:

74 down, 8 to go.

After shutting-out the Vancouver Canucks 2-0 Friday night, the Oilers look to take advantage of a team that will be without Matt Duchene, Nathan MacKinnon and Eric Gelinas tonight.

Like the Oilers, the Avs are currently getting hit with the injury bug which is less than ideal for a team competing in a tight race for the playoffs with the Minnesota Wild. Tonight, the Oilers have a chance to stall their efforts, and their playoff hopes.

While Todd McLellan and the coaching staff haven’t been talking to the players about playing spoiler, Zack Kassian realizes the opportunity ahead.

“If we’re not making the playoffs, we might as well take down teams trying to make the playoffs,” said Oilers winger Zack Kassian. “It’s one of those things where this time of the year it’s tough to find things to get motivated for, but at the top of the list is ‘be the spoiler’ and take that dream from other teams.”

Both Jordan Oesterle and Griffin Reinhart received high-praise from Todd McLellan after last Friday’s game that saw them play over 22 minutes each and blocked 11 shots combined.

Reinhart has looked consistently good in the six games since his recall from the Bakersfield Condors, which is exactly what McLellan and co. wanted from him.

Oesterle has been a pleasant surprise since his recall on Mar. 9. In his nine games with Edmonton this season, he has four assists. His play has been really solid and he has played with confidence. Who knows what the Oilers have here, but early indications show that he has some potential to play in the NHL.

Laurent Brossoit gets his fourth start of the season, and it’s a good night for him to get the green light. With the Avalanches two top scorers in Duchene and MacKinnon being out of the lineup the Avs will look to other guys to finish on the ice.

The Oilers are going to need to play a tight game in front of the Bross, and limit the shots he sees.

“We’d like to play tighter,” said McLellan. “When you’re talking about the Vancouver game, I think we addressed that after. We were sluggish, we weren’t sharp, we were sloppy, we found a way to win and Talbs had a large part in that. We’d like to play better in front of LB tonight than we did the other night and it’s as simple as that.”

McLellan hasn’t forgotten that Brossoit is still a young goaltender, saying “sometimes inexperience and understanding who the shooters are and how they score” is part of the challenge facing LB.

I think at this point in time he will certainly be battling for the backup position next season, but may benefit from more AHL experience. With Talbot securing the starting role for at least the next year or two, LB has the ability to take time and develop properly.

Let’s see what the boys can do tonight..

Quotes from oilers.nhl.com.

Predictions for tonight:

  1. Oilers win 3-2.
  2. Griffin Reinhart scores his first NHL goal.
  3. Leon Draisaitl scores the other two goals.

Last games predictions and results:

  1. Oilers beat the Canucks 3-0.
  2. Former Canuck Zack Kassian scores.
  3. CAM TALBOT SHUTOUT!!!!!

Well not bad! Cam Talbot and the Oilers shutout the Canucks 2-0, but Kassian didn’t get a goal despite some chances.

2/3 ain’t too bad.

Avalanche Preview:

There were no updates on forwards Matt Duchene (knee) and Nathan MacKinnon (knee), and defenseman Eric Gelinas (elbow) on Saturday. Colorado recalled forward Mikko Rantanen from San Antonio of the American Hockey League. Duchene missed a 4-3 shootout win against the Calgary Flames on Friday, and Gelinas and MacKinnon left that game. Coach Patrick Roy said Gelinas was out indefinitely and MacKinnon would be re-evaluated Saturday. Captain Gabriel Landeskog will return after a three-game suspension. Goalie Semyon Varlamov is expected to make his sixth straight start; he has won four of his past five games.

— NHL.com


Line Combos and Starting Goalies:

Oilers (Laurent Brossoit):

Taylor Hall – Leon Draisaitl – Iiro Pakarinen
Patrick Maroon – Connor McDavid – Jordan Eberle
Lauri Korpikoski – Ryan Nugent-Hopkins – Nail Yakupov
Matt Hendricks – Mark Letestu – Zack Kassian

Andrej Sekera – Mark Fayne
Jordan Oesterle – Griffin Reinhart
Darnell Nurse – Adam Clendening

EDM Injuries: Oscar Klefbom (leg infection), Andrew Ference (hip), Eric Gryba (knee), Benoit Pouliot (shoulder), Brandon Davidson (knee), Adam Pardy (hand).

Colorado Avalanche (Calvin Pickard):

Avs Lines tentative due to injuries.

Mikkel Boedker – Nathan MacKinnon – Blake Comeau
Mikhail Grigorenko – John Mitchell – Jarome Iginla
Shawn Matthias – Carl Soderberg – Andreas Martinsen
Cody McLeod – Jack Skille – Andrew Bodnarchuk

Francois Beauchemin – Erik Johnson
Nick Holden – Tyson Barrie
Eric Gelinas – Chris Bigras

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BLH Edmonton Oilers Weekly Recap: March 13th-March 19th

This week, the Oilers continue their new changed pace with a 2-1-0 record against Western opponents this week. I think the best game was easily the 6-4 victory over the St. Louis Blues despite blowing a 5-2 lead. They won 2-0 against Vancouver, in a slower place game, and despite Vancouver having 40 shots on Cam Talbot, I didn’t think they were high quality extremely dangerous shots. They lost a let down game against the Predators where they would quickly get scored on after scoring a goal.

A note about the Canucks: Boy, have they ever fallen. I know our Power Play has been putrid as of late, but holy. Vancouver keeps insisting Linden Vey is the key to the power play rather than playing Radim Vrbata. They are not a good team: their defense is hurting with no less than four NHL rookies playing on the back end. That’s even worse than the Oilers, who had Reinhart, Oesterle and Nurse all playing (although you could count Adam Clendening who only has 45 games played, but is no longer an official “rookie”. The Canucks do not look like they have a plan and are stuck spinning the wheels. The trades they have made or could have made, has not looked good on Jim Benning. They have some nice pieces in Horvat, Baertschi, McCann and Demko in the minors, it’s going to be hurting for the Canucks.

Anyways, onto the Oilers.

Edmonton Oilers Three Stars of the Week

3. Mark Letestu. Mark Letestu makes his appearance on the Three Stars of the Week for his best game as an Edmonton Oiler against St Louis where he posted 2 goals and an assist in the win. Letestu has been a let down this season, which is too bad, because I know I was expecting him to be a higher producer at a cheaper cap hit than Boyd Gordon. His inclusion on the power play frustrates many, including your author. I still like Letestu and I was happy he had a great game against St. Louis. He needed it.

2. Cam Talbot. Alright, letting 4 goals and sporting an ugly 0.857 save percentage against St Louis is an ugly way to get a win, but Talbot was stellar against Vancouver, having a 40 save shutout against a hated rival. Last time I checked, Talbot had a 0.919 save percentage, good for 16th in the league. The league average is 0.916, which is above average. Can’t help but wonder what Talbot’s numbers would be if he didn’t have that slump earlier in the season. I hope that his slow starts aren’t a trend; I have read on Social Media that it is. It’ll be something to watch out for next season.

1. Connor McDavid. McDavid had four points in three games, including two assists against St Louis. While he had no goals, McDavid is just a superb play maker. The main highlight that stands out for me is the Leon Draisaitl goal that he was the primary assist for. He now has 39 points in 37 games and is a point away from Dylan Larkin for fourth in Rookie Scoring. As I said last week, McDavid should win the Calder Trophy based on the criteria that he is the best rookie in the NHL. A long shot theory is that I hope Eastern Media Members will vote for the Newmarket kid and be biased for Ontario but I have no basis for this.

Edmonton Oilers News

In case you missed it, our very own Walter writes about how Taylor Hall is an elite player.

At the Oilers Rig, I wrote about the 2015 draft and how the early returns are good, albeit a bit early to judge completely.

National Post talks about McDavid making a late run for the Calder Trophy (rightfully so!)

Over at Oilersnation, Lowetide talked about Bakersfield development turning some good results. 

Jordan Oesterle and Griffin Reinhart looked sound. Reinhart had his best game as an Oiler against Vancouver.

The Final Game at Rexall Place has been bumped up to a 5pm start time. 

Non-Oilers news, but the Edmonton  Oil Kings will be playing the Medicine Hat Tigers in a one game tie break for a playoff spot on Tuesday.

Around the League

Kevin Spacey attended the Panthers Red Wings game. Seriously love the Spacey in Space trend in Florida.

Senators embarrassed The Canadiens last night with 3 Short Handed Goals

Circle your calendars for April 30th: The NHL Draft Lottery is taking place on the date. 

The league is getting closer to expansion. A list of what a team can protect was released. 

Highlights

Oilers vs Canucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0p_WwmF-Y

 

Top Moments

 

Kevin Spacey!

 

The Week Ahead

The Oilers play host to the Avalanche tonight but then embark on a three game road trip along the Pacific: Tuesday at Arizona, Thursday at San Jose and Saturday in LA.

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The Scourge of the Goalposts

During yesterday’s Vancouver game, I watched Yak City blast a nice shot right off the post.

Which led me to think, I wonder how many goalposts he’s hit?

Which led me to think, I wonder how many goalposts the Oilers have hit?

Which led me to think, I wonder how that would compare to other teams?

So this post, I wander into factoid territory to ask (and answer) the burning question: which team hits the most goalposts?

First Up

The answer is: Dallas! As of last night’s games, Dallas led the league, having clanged it off the iron 41 times.

The Oilers are in 24th with 31 clangers, while Columbus trails with 25.

By Game by Jove

Those of you on your toes are waggling their fingers at me and saying “hang on a sec pal!”

Because you know that not all the teams have played the same number of games, so comparing the numbers straight across ain’t entirely cool.  To really compare them, you gotta equalize the numbers by game.

So let’s do that and see what happens. (drum roll please)

The answer this time is: Washington!

They lead the league at .571 goalposts per game, just a hair ahead of Dallas at .569.

Edmonton, having played more games than anyone else in the league by far, falls to 28th (0.419), while Columbus continues to be in last at a mere 0.357.

Hang On a Sec Pal!

You sez again, keeping me honest!

There’s a suspicious pattern here, which is that the two top teams in goalposts also take a sh*t ton of shots in general, while two of the bottom feeders also happen to be not so good in the shots department.

Maybe it’s just a simple matter of more shots, more goalposts?

Let’s test that. Here’s a chart of unblocked shots per game compared to goalposts per game:

It should be pretty clear from looking at it that there isn’t much of a relationship at all.

If you look down in the bottom left corner, you’ll see a number R^2 = 0.1152 … that’s mathematical proof that there’s basically no relationship.  You can read that to mean “the unblocked shots explain a little shy of 12% of the amount of goalposts”.  That’s not much!

Before we move on, let’s note a few other interesting things:

→ See that dot WAY on the left? That’s NJD. Talk about sucking the life out of the game.

→ And take a look at the three teams WAY over on the right. Are they who we think they are?  Dallas? Yes. Washington? Yes. Toronto!? WTF?!  Toronto. Huh.

Oh well, either way – the shot rate for all those three doesn’t strongly match the goalposts count.

Given that, and given that the overall relationship visually and mathematically is all over the map, the best guess at this point is that (at least at the team level), goalposts are mostly just bad luck.

Factoid City

Let’s summarize our newly created factoid:

  • Dallas leads the league in goalposts.
  • But on a per game basis, Washington leads the league in goalposts – Dallas is second.
  • Yet surprisingly, there appears to be a very weak relationship between goalposts hit and shot rates. It looks like they really are mostly just bad luck.

Factoid high-five!  CLANG!

Data for this mini-study was pulled from my own database, scraped directly from NHL data, thereafter chugging through some nightmarish Python scripts and ending up in Excel. I therefore blame all errors on bad luck.

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