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Fancystats Fundamentals and Why Hockey Desperately Needs a Better Competition Metric (Part 1 of 2)

Hockey needs a better competition metric – without it, the value of fancystats for the evaluation of individual players is significantly weakened.

Let me tell you why!

A Background Tutorial

I’m assuming most of the people reading an article with this title are probably familiar with fancystats. But I’m hoping there are a few readers who are a little nervous around fancystats – and I’m hoping I can capture your interest too.

On that note, I’m going to do a bit of a grounds-up tutorial on fancystats to set the stage here in part 1, then get into the meat of discussion on competition in part 2. I hope those of you with lots of knowledge in that arena already will bear with me – or feel free to skip ahead!

Fancystats – Counting the Good and the Bad

Personally, I’m always a bit baffled by the hatred and contempt for the most common shot metric fancystats (the ones with the odd names like Corsi and Fenwick).

Here’s the thing: it’s not like these metrics are measuring anything unrelated to hockey. In fact, they’re measuring something fundamental to hockey, which is shots. No shots, no goals. No goals, no wins. No wins … sucks.

I like to think of it this way. If my team has the puck and is shooting the puck at the other guys net, this is almost without exception a good thing. Sometimes it’s a tiny good thing, sometimes it’s a major good thing, but it’s pretty much always a good thing.

Conversely, if the bad guys have the puck and are shooting it at my net, it is almost without exception a bad thing. Sometimes it’s a tiny bad thing, sometimes it’s a major bad thing, but it’s pretty much always a bad thing.

In the end, these ‘fancy’ stats are not fancy, and they’re not really even stats!  We’re just counting up good things and bad things and seeing whether our team had more or less of those things. The only wrinkle to note is that we focus these counts on even strength (5v5) time. Not that these shot attempt good and bad things don’t matter on the PK or the PP, it’s just that there are other arguably better ways to measure effectiveness on special teams.

We usually express our resulting good/bad count as a percent – 50% means the two were even, 45% means our team is at a 5% deficit in good things, and 55% means our team has a 5% advantage in the good things we counted (the percentages are always expressed from the viewpoint of a specific team).

How do we know this good thing/bad thing has value? Well, there has been a ton of work done by the math guys to show that these things we’re counting have a ton of value in terms of measuring repeatable skill, and in terms of predicting the rest of the season, or the playoffs, or next season. Better than almost anything else we can count, even goals! If you want to get into the details, there is a ton of information out there on Google.

But you can ignore that if you want – at the core, just remember that we’re counting good and bad hockey-related things, and unsurprisingly, good teams tend to have way better counts, because they’re simply better at that whole hockeying thing than are bad teams.

That’s it! You are now conversant with the big bad Corsi! Welcome to the dark side.

Breaking It Down to a Whole Nuvver Level

It’s a slightly more complicated picture when we try and apply this concept to individuals however.

We’re still counting good and bad things as they happen, but now we’re counting them in the context of the five players on the ice. At the end of the [game, series, season], we count up the good and bad things that happened while each player was on the ice, and Bob’s your uncle: player Corsi.

It’s one thing to calculate that number, though. This ‘five player on the ice’ thing means it does get a little tricky though when it comes to using the numbers to evaluate an individual player.

By tricky, I do mean tricky, not impossible. I emphasize this point because there are some folks out there, some even with a massive media platform, who dismiss these stats as exclusively team-level stats, not applicable to individual players.

Unfortunately, this is wrong, and all it demonstrates is a (sometimes profound) lack of knowledge about basic statistics. Modern statistical methods are all about looking at a large mixed dataset and teasing out individual effects.

As it happens, once you get a large volume of these good/bad counts for an individual player, that player will have played with such a large number of teammates rotating through that his number does indeed start to reflect his individual contribution.

It’s why this ‘team level’ stat is almost always different, in many cases radically so, between teammates.

And yet it’s still tricky.  Why?

The Unbearable Difficulty of Context

What makes it tricky is that in order for a player’s Corsi number to make sense, to have it give us a believable gauge of how that individual is doing, we need to understand the context in which that number was generated.

At the individual level in hockey, the most important context is provided by:

  • teammates
  • zone starts
  • competition

They’re important, because each of them drastically affect the count of good/bad things. Again, this is hockey, not stats. Who you play with, where you start, and who you face makes a huge difference to your success.

WOWY, Lookit Those Teammates

Wait a second, sez you, didn’t you just tell me that the teammate issue sorts itself out when you have lots of data?

Well, mostly it does. Those teammates do rotate a lot, and do allow us to get a better picture of the individual. What confounds us is not the other four skaters out on the ice, though, it’s usually just one, maybe two.

Players on the ice tend to have their ice time occur in tandem with one other player, more heavily than anyone else.

For defenders, this should be obvious – that other player is the D partner.

Less obvious is that when you look at time on ice breakdowns, forwards often show much the same pattern. With a few rare and exceptional lines (e.g. The Kane line in CHI), the third player on a line usually changes more often than the other two. Defense pairs rotate too. Maybe injury, maybe the coaches blender, but forward pairs do tend to stand out.

Luckily, we have a tool that helps deal with this scenario. It’s called WOWY – without you with you.

The idea is simple – given two players, Frank and Peter we’ll call them, take a look at how things (our count of good and bad things) went with Frank and Pete on the ice together, then when Frank was on the ice but without Pete, and then when Pete  was on the ice without Frank.

Sometimes you have to dig a bit deeper, such as if Frank and Peter play with radically different levels of skill when apart, like Frank gets Taylor Hall and Peter gets Taylor’s New Jersey roommate, Luke Gazdic.

But usually the two players tend to separate, and you see quality differences quite quickly.

WOWY analysis is always useful when looking at players, and in my opinion, is mandatory when trying to assess defensemen.

Corsi, or the tale of good and bad hockey things. WOWY, the tale of Frank and Peter.

Remember those, and you are well on your way to being a fancystats expert. Well done!

I’m In Da Zone

OK, so we’ve got a handle on teammates.

The second aspect of context we talked about is how the coach uses a player – whether they’re starting in their own zone a lot, or gifted offensive zone time, or neither (or both).

Turns out, this doesn’t matter nearly as much as you’d think, for a few reasons:

  • Most players are not that buried – even “25% offensive zone starts”, which seems like a harsh number, often represents something in the order of 2 O and 6 D faceoffs during a game. Yes it can add up, but it’s still in the end just four zone starts more in the d zone. Not that much in the context of 20 or more shifts per game.
  • Most shifts start on the fly, not with a faceoff. So a players ability drives defensive (or offensive) zone starts to a large extent, not the other way round. Put another way, good players tend to force faceoffs in the o zone, and bad players tend to get stuck in the d zone, and faceoffs (or goals against!) are part and parcel. So good or bad zone starts can be a symptom rather than a cause of good or poor numbers.
  • Faceoff wins are generally around 50% give or take a few points. Think of the four d zone starts from the first bullet point.  Now remember that the two teams are going to split those somewhere between 45 and 55%.  That’s basically two faceoffs that are a problem, in the context of 20 shifts.  Zone start differences diminish rapidly when you start cutting them in half.

Rather than go farther on this topic, I’ll recommend you read this two-part article by Matt Cane:

In summary: there’s reason to believe that zone starts affect a player’s numbers less than you’d think; and when they do – we have an idea of how much, and can adjust for them.

Competition

So of our three critical contextual factors, we’ve talked about two of them: teammate effects (for which we have WOWY), and zone starts (which aren’t a strong as most think, and can be adjusted for in any case).

What about competition?

Well, now things get peachy … by which I mean juicy and somewhat hairy.

Watching games, you can see coaches scrapping to get the right players on the ice against the other teams players.  Checking line to shutdown the big line?  Or go power vs power?  What about getting easy matchups for that second line?  That’s the chess game in hockey, though some coaches are clearly playing checkers.

On-ice competition is a big deal, and a critical part of measuring players. A player with 50% good/bad things is doing great if he’s always facing Sidney Crosby, and incredibly poorly if he’s facing Lauri “Korpse” Korpikoski.

How do we get a handle on that?

We’ll talk in depth about competition and how we (fail to) measure it in Part 2 of this article.

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Could Adam Larsson Be the Next Niklas Lidstrom

“He’s much better now than Lidstrom was at the same age,” Tommy Boustedt, the Swedish hockey federation’s national director of development

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The title of today’s post is indeed facetious but bear with me on this one for the time being.

  • Player 1 – Elite hockey IQ, skilled, great first pass, accurate shot, calm, efficient in defensive zone, elite vision, not physical
  • Player 2 – Poised with the puck, accurate point shot, minute muncher, excellent puck handler, outstanding hockey sense, great outlet passer, high-end recoverability

One of the players above is Adam Larsson and one of them is Niklas Lidstrom. The reports were taken from various sources online. Can you pick out which player is which?

When Adam Larsson was being scouted for the 2011 draft, a draft in which Larsson battled Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jonathan Huberdeau for 1st overall, a lot of reports had him being compared to Red Wings great Niklas Lidstrom.

If you watch him, he’s a bit bigger than Lidstrom was during his playing days but the way that Larsson moves his body, skates, shoots, passes, and defends; you could definitely see some Lidstrom in his game.

I’m not saying Adam Larsson IS the next Niklas Lidstrom at all but I do see similarities in their playing style and it wasn’t until Lidstrom was in his early 30’s as to when he started racking up all of those Norris trophy awards.

Now we know that Lidstrom entered the NHL at age 20. So he got the privilege of spending two more years in the Swedish league before joining the Detroit Red Wings in 1991 where he racked up 60 points in 80 games.

Adam Larsson started playing regularly in the Swedish professional league as a 16 year old and is one of only a handful of players that include Tampa Bay Lightning defender Victor Hedman to ever do so. The year after being drafted Larsson made the jump to the NHL as an 18 year old.

  • “I think Adam Larsson plays a safer game. I certainly think he has the same potential as Hedman. He’s every bit as good with the puck and he might be a touch tougher. Hedman is a little bigger, but they’re both unbelievably good skaters. I think I would take Larsson over Hedman if I could, based on what I’ve seen the last three years.” (Source)
  • “He’s more stick-handling and can move the puck quick. That’s the big thing, and he can hit, too. He’s a strong guy and he’s big. I think he has a great future (in North America).” (Source)
  • “He’s really smart with the puck, and tough. He won’t back down from anything and even fought a 30-year-old in Swedish league. He just has this glow in his eyes … you know he’s going to be a great player.” – Robin Lehner (Source)

I think some people are still reeling from the Taylor Hall move and I get it, Hall was one of the best wingers in the game and a lot of media types are baffled by this deal. Rumours going around that other GMs were happy to give more including Garth Snow from the Islanders but Peter Chiarelli settled on Adam Larsson.

My question is if Hall is THAT good, why was he so shit on the powerplay and why couldn’t he beat anybody out for Team Canada? For a player of such elite offensive prowess to be that atrocious on the powerplay is mind-numbing to me.

I sort of have a sneaking feeling that Chiarelli dealt Hall to the Devils because that’s the place where he might not be able to put up the numbers that would make the Oilers GM worse than he already does. A place where Hall might not put up Tyler Seguin numbers… That’s my own theory though.

That being said, I am f*cking stoked to see what Adam Larsson can do. If you’re not a believer, listen to hour 1 of Lowetide from yesterday here and pay close attention to what Darcy McLeod (@woodguy55) says about him. The conversation about Larsson starts at (25:56) and I’ll include some quotes below.

  • “Where he actually shines is in scoring chance suppression and shots against suppression”
  • “When he’s (Larsson) on the ice his team gets less shots for but he’s so good at the other ones (go here to see McLeod’s post on right-handed defensemen), when you look at the goals for when he’s on he kills it. When you look at how many of the shots against that come from the home plate area, he kills it. When you look at how he does compared for the shot attempts against to the rest of his team, he kills it and he does that playing first pair which is really good with the only caveat being how much of that is Greene (Andy)?

There are more quotes I want to include here but just to interject for a moment. The underlined portion above is really important to me because how many times in the last decade have we seen scoring chances against the Oilers come from within the home plate area (the slot but widened out to the faceoff dots) because a defenseman has been caught puck watching?

  • “He’s already a first-pairing guy. It’s not a guess, it’s not a question. Chiarelli wasn’t blowing sunshine up our butts.”
  • “This isn’t the Reinhart trade all over again. This guy is the goods in terms of being able to play first-pairing defence.”
  • “Part of being a good defender is keeping the puck away from the scoring areas and where Larsson really excels.”

I think it’s important to take what McLeod has to say here seriously because it’s too easy to write him off before he’s played a game for the Oilers. Edmonton has never had a right-shooting defenseman of this ilk before, so Adam Larsson, while he may never be the next right-handed Niklas Lidstrom, Ray Bourque, or Victor Hedman; he might just be the next right-shooting Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Roman Hamrlik, or Teppo Numminen (I know, Teppo’s a righty).

*It’s kinda irritating how many great players are lefties.*

Let’s see what he can do when he’s passing the puck to Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Jordan Eberle, or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Let’s see how he does on the PP with a real group of magician and snipers in front of him before we right him off.

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The Golden Scenario

I was listening to Lowetide’s most recent Point/Counter-Point with Matthew Iwanyk today and the topic du jour was what to do with the 4th overall pick? The same old same olds were covered, ie: trade up, trade down, trade out to get a dman but Lowetide brought up a scenario to which Iwanyk called it “The Golden Scenario” and it went like this:

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  • Trade Jordan Eberle to the Islanders for Travis Hamonic
  • Sign Jason Demers
  • Trade down to the 7-9 range and pick one of Juolevi, Sergachev, or Chychrun, plus get a good forward prospect to replenish the cupboards in Bakersfield.

Personally I don’t think that Eberle is going to be enough to get Hamonic. That’s me though. I think the premium on defensemen is going to skyrocket this summer and the ask is going to be Nuge. Especially with Frans Nielsen being a UFA this summer and the Islanders not really having anybody in the system to take over Nielsen’s shut-down duties.

If you’re comfortable with signing Demers to a long-term deal over $5M per year, then we’re gold. But that’s going to be a tough contract in 2-3 years when Nurse, Draisaitl, McDavid, etc. start earning big dollars. And with the expansion draft coming as well. Is he a player you’d be comfortable with letting go in said 2-3 seasons if things got crowded as Ethan Bear developed or Caleb Jones?

The teams sitting at 7-9 are (tempting prospects in brackets):

  • Arizona – 7 (Christian Dvorak, Nick Merkley, Brendan Perlini)
  • Buffalo – 8 (…)
  • Montreal – 9 (Mike McCarron, Charles Hudon, Noah Juulsen, Artturi Lehkonen)

The Coyotes are about the only team I’m tempted with by their prospects. But I’m wondering if trading down even further and going for Ryan Suter 2.0 Charlie McAvoy would be the way to go though. The Oilers’ system is devoid of a number of quality RH dmen. Hence why we’re talking about trying to acquire Demers and Hamonic…

  • Colorado – 10 (Chris Bigras, Nicholas Meloche, AHL Co-ROY Mikko Rantanen)
  • New Jersey – 11 (Goalie Mackenzie Blackwood, Reid Boucher, Pavel Zacha, Steven Santini)
  • Ottawa – 12 (Colin White, Thomas Chabot)
  • Carolina – 13 (Sebastien Aho, Roland McKeown, Hadyn Fleury, Alex Nedeljkovic)

Can’t see anyway the Oilers would be getting a Rantanen or a Zacha here, Colin White would probably be a long shot too.

The way I see it, the Oilers are partially in the place they are because they drafted poorly after the first round or they traded their picks. Now if you take the option to draft completely off of the table then what is that doing for the future of the team. I’m of the belief that you MUST draft in the first two rounds every year, successfully albeit, so that the circle of life continues.

So I say trade down and get the McAvoy kid and a prospect like Aho, White, or pay a bit more and get Zacha. Let him (McAvoy) spend another season or two in the NCAA, sign him, send him to Bakersfield for 40 games and then bring him up if he’s developing according to plan.

Another Option

Not many people are talking about the possibility of trading up to grab Columbus’ pick. I think that’s because they believe that the fact that the Blue Jackets’ GM is Finnish and there’s a great Finnish player in Jesse Puljujarvi that will be sitting there at three for him to take but the reality of the situation is that the Blue Jackets have worked themselves into a shit situation with their horrible long-term contracts and are in dire need of some cap relief. Fact of the matter is, their GM won’t be in Columbus long enough to see his prized pick reach his potential. He’d be doing the next GM a huge favour. The only way he can get himself out of this pickle is to find a way to do some major open heart surgery on his roster.

Next season Columbus has $68M committed to 11 fwds, 7 dmen, and 3 goalies. If the salary cap goes to $74M next year they’ll have only $6M available to sign their RFAs, upgrade via free agency AND sign the 3rd overall pick. Not only that but the expansion draft is coming and correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t each team have to protect the players with no-movement clauses? The Blue Jackets have 5 players who are veterans on long-term deals with NMC’s. Scott Hartnell, Fedor Tyutin, David Clarkson, Nick Foligno, and Brandon Dubinsky are all weighing Columbus down.

Edmonton could offer to swap picks, toss in Yakupov AND take on one of those contracts (ideally Hartnell’s because it’s the shortest and he’s been quite productive recently) OR if Columbus said no, then the Oilers could offer-sheet Seth Jones to something like $5.5M for 6 years.

Either way the Oilers could be getting something of huge value to them. How could Columbus even match that without screwing themselves over? Of course the proposal is all predicated upon them not being able to move the veterans mentioned above.

In the end here, how urgent is it for the Oilers to make the playoffs in 2016/17? Is it even a realistic possibility? Who would the Oilers even jump over to make the playoffs? What would happen if they shot themselves in the foot by trading the #4 overall and Eberle, picked up Hamonic and Demers and then got hit by the injury bug again or those players struggled off the bat?

When you try to force things to happen, they rarely happen the way you want them too or they do happen with some undesired side-effects in tow… I reckon we just have to enjoy the process. The process isn’t fun to go through but when it is complete, everyone (mostly) is happy they went through it.

What do you think? Would you prefer to go the route that Lowetide and Iwanyk talked about or trade up to #3 overall and screw over the Blue Jackets? Let me know in the comments below!

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Taylor Hall for PK Subban?

Wow, I go to bed and all is well in the land of hockey. I wake up to see a million blogs and podcasts talking about PK Subban and how he’s the problem with the Montreal Canadiens. The Habs are struggling and it’s all his fault because he slipped and coughed up the puck vs. the Avs and they scored a GWG off of that mistake.

The problem with the Canadiens is no more PK Subban than it is Max Pacioretty, Brendan Gallagher, Tomas Plekanec or Alex Galchenyuk. It’s Michael Therrien. He’s lost his team. Plain and Simple. Penguins fans know what’s happening here. And if you think that Geoff Molson (Habs Owner) is going to OK a trade of the guy he just went to bat for, you’re insane. Not to mention the fact that Subban just donated $10 Million dollars to a children’s hospital in Montreal. They have to fire Therrien before jettisoning ANY of their players, let alone their best player at the moment.

I guarantee you that if Carey Price is healthy this is all for naught.

Now with all of that said and as I mentioned before, I listened to a few Oilers related podcasts and radio shows today already and I’ve gleaned over the most notable Oilers blogs mentioning this PK Subban nonsense. Let me lay down some quotes for you so you don’t have to travel the oilogosphere searching.

Lowetide

  • The Oilers are going to be in on this
  • Taylor Hall may be the ask
  • Teams may settle on Nuge and Nurse
  • Habs might ask for Leon Draisaitl
  • Nuge, Nurse, and Nail for Subban and Eller.

David Staples

  • Edmonton is in a position to move fast, even if other teams aren’t. Edmonton has numerous pieces that could be moved for Subban, essentially anyone on the team not named Connor McDavid. This also includes Edmonton’s first pick in the 2016 entry draft, an outstanding trading chip.
  • Most likely Subban will stay in Montreal and those aligned against him will be moved out.

https://twitter.com/dstaples/status/700803390868058112

Jonathan Willis

  • Outside of Connor McDavid, there isn’t a player on the Oilers’ roster who would be more important to the team than P.K. Subban if Subban were magically to appear in the system.
  • If he legitimately becomes available—and I’m skeptical that he would—the Oilers would need to make a legitimate offer, with no player other than McDavid absolutely off-limits, including people like Taylor Hall, Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse.

https://twitter.com/jonathanwillis/status/700743377181089792

Alex Thomas

  • He’s arguably the best defender in the NHL and he’s easily Montreal’s best player, yes better than Carey Price.
  • The deal I propose would be the following:

    To Montreal: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov, 2016 1st round pick, Darnell Nurse

    To Edmonton: PK Subban, Lars Eller, 2016 second round pick

Elliotte Friedman (Oilers Now)

  • You know it’s got to be a trade you look at and say we (Montreal) win.
  • I think the only way they’d ever trade him is if the deal is so good that your fans would have to say, “You know what? We really hate to lose this guy but that’s a heck of a deal.”
  • Nobody is untouchable but I do think that some players are close to untouchable and he’s (Subban) one.
  • I’m not convinced you guys (Oilers) could offer enough.
  • You are not getting out of this without (offering) at least two of Hall, Draisaitl, Nurse, and Klefbom.
  • I like Klefbom and Nurse but do they have Subban’s ceiling?
  • If I was Bergevin I’d ask for both of them (Klefbom and Nurse) and Hall or both of them and Draisaitl.
  • If I was the Edmonton Oilers and I got the 1st overall pick. Boy, I’ll tell you, I’m not sure if I’m dealing that for PK Subban.
  • You’re losing 8 years and you’re adding $9 million onto your cap. You might look at it now and say that’s a good deal (1st overall for Subban) but in five years are you going to be looking at it, as good as Connor McDavid is and what you’ve already go there, are you going to be looking at that and saying, “Boy, we really gave up an Auston Matthews in his prime?”

So there you have it. Some notable names in the Oilers media/blogging community have had their say. The conclusion: Go get that Mad Hatter.

What Does BLH Think?

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I think IF the Oilers could strike a deal to get Subban, you do it. Now would I pay the suggested price that Elliotte Friedman is suggesting?… I don’t think I would do that unless a Hamonic deal was in place as well. Losing Klefbom and Nurse is a big hit. Losing Hall, I’m not so worried about that.

Here’s my thought train on the Oilers roster going forth.

This year’s draft is chalked full of elite wingers in the top 5, where the Oilers should be picking. If the Oilers can snag Patrik Laine, Jesse Puljujarvi or Auston Matthews, that to me makes Taylor Hall expendable, thus freeing up $6 million dollars in cap room. I’d much rather keep Ryan Nugent-Hopkins than Taylor Hall at this point. I feel that center depth is infinitely more important than depth on the wing and what has been the biggest complaint for the last 5 years say? If you said the Oilers defence you win!!!

So the Oilers should be a team moving forward to rebuild it’s defence and re-tooling its makeup. Chiarelli did it with Boston, so there’s no reason to believe that he won’t do it in Edmonton. With the pieces he has, surely he’ll get the job done. I think if you ask most folks how many players the team is away from becoming a true competitive team, they might say two or three but the caveat being that those players be on defence. The rest would probably say that the team has too many skilled players and not enough meat and potato guys.

Jordan Eberle is seemingly clicking with McDavid, as is Pouliot and I think it’s pertinent to keep them and keep them together. Scoring is hard enough as it is. With that being said, Hall is on another one of his weird droughts and I’m not sure if Draisaitl is suffering from that or is also in a slump. To me, Hall is another Rick Nash, Marian Gaborik, Ilya Kovalchuk, or even Tyler Seguin but the difference is The Oilers will survive if they move on without him. Having McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH down the spine could ensure that the way Thornton, Couture, and Pavelski did in San Jose or to a greater extent and often exhausted example, Crosby, Malkin, Staal did in Pittsburgh.

I will probably die a lonely death on this hill but I will go down swinging nonetheless. I believe that the Oilers will find success when at least two of Hall, Yakupov, or RNH are playing on another team. And in my own ignorance, I find Nugent-Hopkins to be more of a keeper than the other two.

I just think you can’t pilfer off your best two-way center, a potentially elite winger (1st rounder in 2016), a struggling former 1st overall, and your best defenceman to get Subban.

  • The Oilers cannot go into the 2016/17 season with two centers under the age of 21 leading the march. There must be depth and the 2016 FA crop isn’t looking promising in that regards unless you feel like making a pitch for Stamkos, Staal, Backes, or Sam Gagner…
  • As Friedman said, you mustn’t give up 8 team controlled years of an elite prospect for 7 years of $9 million dollars per season.
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I reckon you take your greatest bargaining chip, put it forward and do your best with that. The Oilers player with the highest value is Taylor Hall.

Would I trade Taylor Hall to the Habs for PK Subban? I would. I would’ve done it years ago when Subban was going through his rocky contract negotiations. Would I add to the deal? I would. I would give them ONE of the either Klefbom or Nurse because they’d have to get a defender back. If I was pushed on Yakupov I’d be willing to move him but something would have to come back. A 2nd round draft pick possibly. The armchair GM in me would ask for Charles Hudon, Nikita Scherbak or Mike McCarron but that seems too much in this case.

Now I’m sure you’re already saying I’m nuts and there’s a solid possibility you’ve already closed the page but consider this. PK Subban is arguably the best defenceman in the league and if he’s not the best, he’s in the top three. Taylor Hall isn’t in the top three of left wingers in the game right now. He might not be in the top five or the top ten depending who you ask.

I think the lingering question with the Oilers is, where would this team be if it was healthy? Would we even be considering trading our young stars if this team was in a competitive spot in the standings? And considering that all of our young scorers, apart from McDavid, have gone through considerable scoring slumps, how important are they really?

But the most important question for you as an Oilers fan to ask yourself is when these rumors come along is… Would the Oilers have a better chance at the playoffs with player A or with player B? In this case insert the names of PK Subban and Taylor Hall.

The Weekly Round Up September 20-26

Hey everyone, this is Kris here and here is the weekly round up for the week that was September 20th-September 26th. With pre-season underway, we inch ever so close to the debut of what should be, an exciting, 2015-16 season.

My Top Three Oilers of the Week:

Honorable Mention: Leon Draisaitl. It was a toss up between Draisaitl and McDavid for the three spot. Draisaitl has arguably been one of our best players this pre-season, although he did not look as effective last night as he has in prior games. He’s going to make it a really tough decision for Todd McLellan and that’s a great thing.

3. Connor McDavid. He had two assists in his pre-season debut with the Oilers on Monday against Calgary. McDavid looked (and even he admitted it) shaky at the start but McDavid is exciting to watch every time he touches the ice. His skating is really something else and his defense was really underrated.

2. Griffin Reinhart. A surprising pick but his game against Winnipeg on Wednesday was superb. He did everything right, not flashy, but right. He’s basically the yin to Nurse’s yang: opposites in style but each offering a unique game that the Oilers sorely need. Reinhart was effective in all areas and hence why he earns my number two spot. I wrote about Reinhart on Oilonwhyte.com yesterday and I think we should definitely be supporting the young man.

1. Justin Schultz. Oh boy, I really hope this is the Justin Schultz that we get for the regular season. Forget the goal he scored but look at the Klefbom hit: Schultz of all people was the first one in the scrum! Finally some resilience from the man. He’s been playing like a top four defenceman. Perhaps he could surprise everyone with a rock solid year.

TSN Had a recent feature on Schultz

Connor McDavid to Play Against Minnesota in Saskatoon Tonight

There has been much talk about Connor McDavid and his lack of Pre-Season play, but this confirms that he will be playing in Saskatoon tonight rather than Winnipeg last night. This makes sense on a couple fronts: Yesterday’s squad was mostly filled with AHL players and players fighting for their roster lives and tonight’s squad is playing in an Edmonton Oilers market. It also makes sense on the front where Saskatoon has a large Oilers fanbase. Might as well treat them to one of the best stars in the league.

 

Lowetide’s Rollerball

Lowetide has always been a favorite of mine. He’s THE icon of the Oilers blogging community and he constantly produces quality content. This one stands out however, as he looks at the big three on the back end (Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart) and their potential offensive production. Lowetide urged that some of the comparables for offense was a good Steve Staios and that we should not be disappointed with that especially if they are rock solid defensively. I think it’s important to stress the defensive side of the game here since quite frankly, the Oilers have had very ineffective defenseman who can play quality defense. Lowetide also hints that maybe Klefbom’s potential might be hidden due to the invisible Swedish Secondary Assists (where they do not count the secondary assist, just the primary).

Patrick Kane’s Case is Bizarre 

Patrick Kane’s Rape Accusation case took a really bizarre turn of events this week when the accuser’s lawyer, Thomas Eoannou, held a press conference declaring that the Rape Kit was delivered to the Accuser’s Mother’s doorstep and that it had been tampered (the evidence bag was empty, was supposed to hold the rape kit). Eoannou, the very next day no less, resigned from the case stating that it was within ethical reason for him to leave the case as he did not believe the Mother’s story.

This is downright confusing. I have no opinion on whether Kane is innocent or not and that is not up to me to decide. I am purely neutral in this case and without anymore evidence or news related to the story, I will remain neutral. That said, this is just plain nutty and confusing.

Even ESPN’s first take had talked about it (although I do warn you, tolerating Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith takes a lot of patience)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfkleAuOl1I

 

Flyers Brothers on Trading Block?

According to NBC hockey, both Braydon and Luke Schenn are on the trading block from the Flyers. It’s not really surprising: I find both players to be blunt, mediocre at best. Luke Schenn is fighting for a job with a log jam of defensiveman and Braydon Schenn has not produced to the levels that were expected of them. One thing though, I really hope that the Oilers stay far away from both of these players. They are not what the Oilers need in my opinion: We are set at Center and I would rather have Lander over Braydon Schenn and Luke Schenn would just be another 5-6 Defenceman that the Oilers don’t need.