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Around the Oilogosphere – April 5th Edition – Why the Oilers MUST fire McLellan Now, Spoiled Fans, and NHL Rumors!

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My friend and newest contributor to this Oilers blog, The Dirtbag, made some very interesting and thought-provoking comments on the Twitter machine this morning regarding whether or not the Oilers should fire Todd McLellan at the end of the season or wait until next season.

The suggestion that the Oilers should keep McLellan and give him a “short leash” for 20 games next season is problematic for a few reasons.

  1. What’s the point of that? If the organization has lost confidence in him you cut bait now. Players will also know he’s on borrowed time.
  2. At the 20 game mark, if a team is, say, 7-10-3 or something, you’re out of the playoffs already. That’s a lost season. We can’t have that.
  3. There won’t be the same quality replacement coaches for the team moving forward during the season… The time to hire is after the season.

All three points make perfect sense in my opinion and if you listened to Craig Simpson and Bob Stauffer talking about what changes they thought the Oilers might make this off-season, they both agreed that it’ll probably be a lateral move that takes place instead of a clean sweep of the coaching staff. Meaning the assistant coaches are taking a vacation and new ones are brought in. Craig Simpson cited Mike Babcock having 12 assistant coaches in Detroit during his time there during the segment.

I’ve maintained this year that if something does happen that I don’t think it’ll be McLellan that gets the axe but it’ll be his associate coaches and the Oilers will bring in guys that will be ready to take over for McLellan when his time is up. Kris Knoblauch, Todd Nelson, Davis Payne, or Derek Laxdall. Paul Coffey’s name has been in the mix as well.

OILERS NEWS

Beer League Heroes – What Would You Do if You Were GM? – Imagine next week the Oilers are giving you the chance to become the next general manager of the Edmonton Oilers. What moves would you make? What changes would you institute to ensure that the Oilers would be a playoff team in 2018/19?

Beer League Heroes – Spoiled Fans (I’m Serious) – A certain portion of fans pretty much wanted the NHL to hand over the Stanley Cup once we won the lottery in 2015. It doesn’t work like that. Nothing is handed to you. Yes, we got extremely lucky but that’s not the finish line. That’s the starting gate.

The Cult of Hockey – Player grades, Games 71-80: Edmonton Oilers gained a little momentum, then promptly lost it – For just a little while there, Edmonton Oilers’ fans saw at least a glimpse of the team they’d been expecting in 2017-18.

The Cult of Hockey – Oilers coach Todd McLellan on TSN’s McKenzie’s list of coaches who could be gone soon – If the Oilers players themselves are still so firmly in McLellan’s camp, the Oilers have a keeper, but I wonder about that after this wretched season.

The Cult of Hockey – If Andrej Sekera Isn’t Healthy for Next Season, That Would be Horrid for the Oilers – In a season of bad news, Edmonton Oilers fans were this week given another kick in the shins — or perhaps a knock on the knee would be a better way to put it — with news that Andrej Sekera had “tweaked” his old knee injury and would miss the final two games of the season.

Oilersnation – WWYDW: Jesse Puljujarvi – Where does Puljujarvi fit with the Oilers long-term? What matters now is if he is a long-term solution in the organization, how should the team ensure he reaches his potential?

Oilersnation – The Oilers and their RFAs – The team has four pending restricted free agents and when you consider that none of them are true top-six forwards, it’s highly unlikely that we see all four of them back in Edmonton next September.

NHL NEWS & RUMORS

2018 NHL Free Agents: Scraping The Barrel – Part 2

NHL Rumors: Coaching Hot Seat, Tyler Seguin, and the Buffalo Sabres

NHL Draft: 2018 NHL Draft Lottery Odds

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G15: Oilers vs. Stars – Will the Stars Align For Edmonton?

The Dallas Stars are coming into Edmonton and the latter half of a back-to-back, you’d like to think that they should be tired and ripe for the picking, right? Well, to speak to the point that they are in fact due for a loss, let’s consider these factors:

  • They have played 5 games in 8 days.
    • In that time frame, they’ve gone 2-2-1
  • This is the 2nd b2b in 7 days.
    • The previous one was versus the red-hot Blackhawks and Dallas lost both times.
  • They’ve been hit massively on the health front.
    • Five top-9 major players are out for them (Spezza, Eakin, Sharp, Hemsky, Janmark).
    • Antoine Roussel AND Lauri Korpikoski are playing top line minutes…
  • They’ve let in 19 goals in the past 5 games.
    • That 8-2 loss to Winnipeg didn’t help.
  • The Stars have been shorthanded 20 times in the last 5 games and their PK has been busted 4 times in said 5 games.

All of that is fine and dandy BUT:

In the now oft-mentioned previous 5 games,

  • Tyler Seguin has 7 points (2g, 5a) and 23 shots *4 of those points on the PP*
  • Jamie Benn has 6 points (2g, 4a)
  • John Klingberg has 5 points (2g 3a)
  • Antoine Roussel has 25 PIMs

So their big guns are firing, especially Seguin. They’ve got some ridiculously irritating players running up and down the line-up in Roussel, Gemel Smith, Korpikoski, and Curtis McKenzie plus to back those guys up in case sparks fly are Brett Ritchie, Patrick Eaves, Stephen Johns, and Jordie Benn…

Despite the Dallas Stars’ record (5-6-3), for the reasons above, they shouldn’t be a team that you as a fan should think are a guaranteed victory for the Oilers. They’re no more a win than the Buffalo Sabres, the Ottawa Senators, or the Toronto Maple Leafs were supposed to be back in October.

The Oilers are 2-2-1 in their last 5 games, 2-3-1 if you toss in the Senators game,  and that’s not the kind of record that will drive you to a playoff spot.

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I think that a lot of people will be judging Edmonton’s playoff chances on a game like this one against Dallas and that’s a fair point to make. Personally, I get pretty torn on games like this one this year because the Oilers have beaten some pretty good teams already but they’ve lost to some pretty shitty ones as well. But, we’re nearly half-way into November, a month that is supposed to tell us where we should be drawing our lines in the sand regarding this team. October was the cherry start, Edmonton has to start winning again or the likes of the uber-hot Los Angeles Kings and the re-emerging Anaheim Ducks will catch up to them and pass them. Leaving them for the San Jose Sharks to feast upon once they find their game (5-5-0 in their last ten…)

Let me ask you, I know the Stars’ record doesn’t reflect it but are they closer to the Rangers/Penguins this year or are they closer to the Canucks/Flames?

I’d like to say they’re close to Vancouver/Calgary but they are so stricken with injury that I think once they get their boys back, it’ll be game on for them and they could very well make a HUGE push in the 2nd half…

The Oilers will win this one tonight because Dallas’ goaltending cannot get its game together and I’m not convinced that their defense can handle the Oilers top line of Maroon/McDavid/Eberle.

*Eberle has 5 points in his last 5 games btw*

I also believe that Edmonton has the forward depth to withstand whatever the Stars send over the boards and this Oilers team can play the game any way you want to now that it’s a more balanced and sizeable squad.

Now, with that said, Klefbom and Larsson should, in theory, be able to take on Benn’s line. We’d prefer it if Seguin was on that line too but it looks like he’ll be centering the 2nd line with Roussel and Eaves. I reckon that Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, and Puljujarvi shouldn’t be lined up against them but Lucic, Draisaitl, and Pitlick should but can Sekera and Benning handle Seguin’s line is the question? Maybe it won’t matter though, maybe that will be the assignment given to Gryba and Nurse…

Then again, what if McLellan decides to match KlefLarr with Seguin and leave Benn to Sekera/Benning or Gryba/Nurse?

Either way, the Dallas forward/Edmonton defense match-ups will be a chess match to keep one’s eye on.

What do you think about tonight’s game? Let me know in the comments below!

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What’s a Top-5 Pick Worth?

So, as a follow-up article to my precious article’s attempt to place a value on a top-pairing right-side defensemen, I was asked “What’s the value of a Top-5 pick”.  Now, if you believe Auston Matthews is a generational player, I previously wrote an article trying to come up with a modern version of the Lindros trade, which was the last time a “generational” forward was dealt.  However, if you don’t think Matthews fits into that mold, this will cover a more traditional view of what a Top-5 pick is worth.

For an idea on the value of a draft pick, I used the information from http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819, an excellent article by Scott Cullen.

Since the 2000 season, the following trades for Top-5 picks have occurred.  Notice from 2000-2004 it was extremely common to see movement in the draft, but since then it has been less likely to occur.  We have:

  • 2000:
    • #5 Raffi Torres, NYI from Tampa
      • Kevin Weekes, Kristian Kudroc and a 2001 2nd round pick for the #5 pick, 2000 4th round pick and a 2000 7th round pick;
      • What did they get:
        • Kevin Weekes had a few seasons under his belt by that point, but had never played more than 36 games in a season until this trade. He had ok numbers going forward, so we can classify him as an average NHL starter.
        • Kristian Kudroc was a 6’7, 225lb right-shot defenseman, who was a very physical player, but he never panned out at the NHL level with only 26 total NHL games in his career, but teams have always been willing to place a premium on giants like this;
        • A 2nd round pick, giving you a 33.8% chance of landing an NHL player;
      • What did they give up:
        • The #5 pick, which has a chance of being 73.8% chance of being a Top-6 caliber or better player.
        • A 4th round pick, which is an 18.9% chance of giving you an NHL player;
        • A 7th round pick, which is a 9.3% chance of giving you an NHL player;
  • 2001:
    • #2 Jason Spezza, Ottawa from NYI
      • Alexei Yashin for Bill Muckalt, Zdeno Chara and the #2 pick;
      • What did they get:
        • Oh, the trades you wish you could take back if you were the Islanders.. Having said that, at the time of the deal, Yashin had put up 88 points in 82 NHL games the previous season, and his time with the Islanders wasn’t that bad, putting up 75 in 78 the next season. As well, he was a legitimate top-line NHL center at the time. If it wasn’t for his absurd deal, he likely would have had a much longer career with the Islanders, as he had 50 points in 58 games the season he was bought out. He played 5 seasons with the Islanders, scoring 290 points in 346 games.
      • What did they give up:
        • Bill Muckalt was your average NHL depth winger, not much to consider there.
        • The #2 pick, which is that 73.8% chance of getting a top-6 player or better;
        • Zdeno Chara, the 6’9 250lb giant, who was in his 4th season with the Islanders when this trade went down. Now, it should be noted that with the Islanders, he didn’t seem nearly as skilled as he turned out to be, putting up 29 points in 231 games. It was pretty clear he had a mean streak. However, his first season with the Senators he put up 23 points in 75 games, and never looked back. Call this a quality prospect defenseman deal.
  • 2002:
    • #1 Rick Nash, Columbus from Florida
      • #3, some draft swap options that were not exercised for next year (ability to swap first round picks) #3 Jay Bouwmeester, Florida from Columbus
      • What did they get: This was a classic example of two teams preferring different players (forwards or defensemen), and swapping their picks that year with the option for the other team to swap them next season… Essentially, this was just an attempt to pick up a better draft spot next year when an organization clearly preferred a player.
    • #4 Joni Pitkanen, Philly from Tampa
      • Ruslan Fedotenko, 2 2002 2nd round picks for the #4
      • What did they give up:
        • At the time, Ruslan Fedotenko had seasons of 36 points in 74 games and 26 points in 78 games. During his time with the Lightning, he was around a 45-point winger, so a solid second-line player.
        • The pair of 2nd round picks gives the team 33.8% chance for each pick of landing an NHL player
      • What did they get:
        • A defenseman in the first 5 picks has a 64.7% chance of being a Top-4 defenseman;
  • 2003:
    • #1 Marc-Andre Fleury, Pittsburgh from Florida
      • The #3 pick, 2003 2nd round pick for the #1 and a 2003 3rd round pick;
      • Once again, this was a case of organizations preferring a given player in the Top-5, where the team trading down to pick their player gained a 2nd round pick for a 3rd round pick for doing it.
  • 2004:
    • #4 Andrew Ladd, Carolina from Columbus
      • A 2004 1st round pick and a 2004 2nd round pick for the #4 pick.
      • And the same idea here, where a team picked up an additional 2nd round pick for moving down a few spots.
  • 2008:
    • #3 Zach Bogosian
      • Rights to Keith Tkachuk, conditional 4th round pick;
      • This was a deal sweetener trade for Keith Tkachuk if they were able to resign him, so essentially a #3 pick was used to balance a trade for a Top-3 power forward. A parallel could be used here if the Oilers were to make a trade for Kevin Shattenkirk and part of the deal was a 1st round pick going to the Blues if they were able to re-sign him.
    • #5 Luke Schenn, Toronto from NYI
      • The #5 pick for the #7 pick, 2008 3rd round pick and a 2009 2nd round pick
      • Once again, we have a trading down deal, where an organization dropped down 2 spots in the draft to pick up some extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.
  • 2010:
    • #2 Tyler Seguin, Boston from Toronto
      • Phil Kessel for #2, 2010 2nd round, 2011 1st round #9
      • Now this is one of the rare deals, where an elite NHL winger was dealt;
      • What did they get:
        • Phil Kessel was just coming into his own then, and he went on to put up some very high numbers with a very bad Toronto organization. He would be considered an elite Top-3 winger;
      • What did they give up:
        • The #2 pick would be a 73.8% chance of a Top-6 or better forward;
        • The #9 in 2011 was a 64.7% chance of getting a Top-4 defenseman;
        • And the 2nd round pick was a 33.8% chance of getting an NHL player;

So, if we remove all the trades that would just be the Oilers trading down slightly to get a couple more 2nd or 3rd round picks, we have these left:

  • A #5 pick (as well as a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick) went for an average starting goaltender, a quality prospect defenseman, and a 2nd round pick;
  • A #2 pick as well as a depth forward and a quality prospect defenseman for a Top-3 NHL center;
  • A #4 pick for a 2nd line Winger and a pair of 2nd round picks;
  • A #3 pick as a deal sweetener if a team re-signs an elite forward (or player) they get in a deal;
  • A #2 pick, a #9 pick and a 2nd round pick for an Elite Top-3 scoring winger;
        • The #9 in 2011 was a 64.7% chance of getting a Top-4 defenseman;
        • And the 2nd round pick was a 33.8% chance of getting an NHL player;

So, what can we conclude from this?  Depending on where the Oilers pick, we can see that you can get an elite NHL forward for a #2 pick if you include either another pick or a quality prospect defenseman.  If you go down to #3, you can use this to seal the deal on a soon-to-be UFA elite player in a deal.  At #4, you can get yourself a Top-6 forward and a few extra picks, and at #5 you can get a quality prospect, a starting goaltender and an extra depth pick.

I would say there’s little point in trading the #4 or #5 here, as teams rarely got anything worth the effort.  For the #3, this would be an example, as mentioned, of how the Oilers may do a deal for Brent Burns or Kevin Shattenkirk, who both have one year until free agency, however that wouldn’t work for this year’s draft anyhow, it would be more likely to involve their pick next year.  And lastly, we can see that you can land an elite NHL forward in a deal for that #2 pick.  Having said that, if you look at the Yashin deal and the Seguin deal, both teams trading for that elite player and giving up the draft pick did not fare well.  Essentially, teams dealing their Top-5 picks don’t tend to come out of it all that well unless they’re doing a swap with another team for a high first round pick to get the player they prefer.


 

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Taylor Hall: An Elite Player?

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On Twitter recently, I was told that I shouldn’t be writing a hockey blog simply because I referred to Taylor Hall as an elite player. I couldn’t let this ironic opportunity pass me by, so here is why, from an analytics perspective, I think Hall is an elite player.

First, let me define elite player. Statistically, I define elite as any measure that is about 2 standard deviations above the mean, or in simpler terms, 98% better than all other comparison players. Typically, we would compare forwards with forwards, and defensemen with defense. Also possible to be more specific by comparing centers and wingers separately, but in presenting evidence for Hall, I’m going long and comparing him to all forwards.

Second, what would be a reasonable time-line? I think 4 seasons gives pretty reliable measurement over time. Goal-scoring can be highly variable from season to season because of shooting percentage variability, but after 4 seasons, shooting percentage approaches a “true” or reliable value.

Third, I focus on even-strength (5v5) metrics because 80% of the game is determined at 5v5 and moreover, it is more challenging to produce as compared to the power-play. These 2 factors, then, would be my basis for arguing that for 5v5 represents a more accurate assessment of a player’s ability.

Fourth, what measures would I use as evidence, that is, what are nuts and bolts of an elite player? The 6 measures (5v5; per 60 minutes) are :

  1. Goals
  2. Primary Assists
  3. Primary Points
  4. Points
  5. GF% Relative-to-Team (i.e., team’s goal differential with the player on the ice vs. the team’s average goal differential)
  6. Individual Proportion of Points

Why primary, but not secondary assists? Recent analysis has shown that Primary Assists are repeatable over time, but Secondary are more random. Thus, primary Assists tend to represent a player’s “true” skill as a playmaker. This then, in theory, affects which points are the more reliable points. By excluding secondary assists, we are left with primary points (goals + primary assists). But does that mean secondary assists are meaningless in assessing a player’s ability? I would argue, no.

In the sample (297 forwards, 2012-16), I computed the correlation between primary & secondary assists and found a statistically significant correlation of .49 (p < .001). This moderate correlation suggests to me that players who are better playmakers–because they are likely strong passers in general–tend to have more secondary assists. The points metric, then, is included because it captures three meaningful metrics: goals, primary assists, & secondary assists. The whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts, or something like that.

Finally, the last 2 metrics attempt to the player’s impact on the team. GF% Relative-to-Team answers the question: Relative to his teammates, how well does the team do in outscoring the opposition with the player on the ice? Individual percentage of points tells us the what proportion of points is the player directly involved in when the team scores.

So how many players are in the 98th percentile of any given metric? Using the last 4 seasons, including the current (2012-16), with players over 2000 minutes of ice-time there are 297 forwards, which represents the top-9 forwards of all teams (i.e., 270 players). There is a few ways to compute 98th percentile. The simplest way, which I think makes intuitive sense for the non-statistical-minded person, is to look at the upper 2% of players on any metric. Thus 2% X 297 = 6. In short, we want to know the top-6 players on a metric.

So how does Hall rank in each metric? I present the rank plus the metric in parentheses (per 60 minutes; except where otherwise noted):

  1. Goals:                                   58th (0.82)
  2. Primary Assists:                      3rd (1.68)
  3. Primary Points:                        7th (1.91)
  4. Points:                                      3rd (2.5)
  5. GF% RelTM                           17th (+9.2%)
  6. IPP                                            1st (87.6%)

Thus, in 3 of 6 metrics, Hall is in the upper 2% of the league: Primary Assists, Points, & Individual Proportion of Points. In fact, he ranks 1st overall in his proportional contribution to the team’s points while on the ice. His Primary Points rank of 7th is so close that I might as well call it upper 2%. So that’s 4 metrics that rank as elite (as I have defined it). Next, he ranks 17th in GF% RelTM, which is about 95th percentile, and 58th in goals, which is about 80th percentile.

Overall, 4 out 6 of Hall’s metrics are at the elite level, the GF% RelTM metric has Hall performing better than 95% of forwards, and the goal metric has him scoring at a rate better than 80% of forwards. For me, I think that’s a pretty solid case for being an elite forward. Others may disagree, but if you’re going to post your disagreement, I would kindly ask for your rationale. (Remember, the measures do not include the power-play.)

Thanks for reading and please post your comments below.

Walter

Data courtesy of David Johnson’s stats.hockeyanalysis.com